seems to me it WAS close (Reply #56) - Democratic Underground

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Sat Nov 10, 2012, 04:01 PM

hfojvt (37,573 posts)

56. seems to me it WAS close

Margin of victory

Virginia 114,000 13 EV
NH 40,000 4 EV
Iowa 87,000 6 EV
Ohio 107,000 18 EV
Florida 64,200 29 EV

simply flip 207,000 Obama voters into Romney voters in the right states and Rmoney is in the money.

207,000 votes out of 122 million cast. That's a .17% margin of victory in practical terms.

We were THAT close to going out forever.

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It would be nice if those DUers who [View all]	malaise	Nov 2012	OP
They received a shellacking in the House vote too. Too bad for gerrymandering.	JaneyVee	Nov 2012	#1
+1 nt	ProudProgressiveNow	Nov 2012	#2
Yep - it's hilarious how they are now using the gerrymandering	malaise	Nov 2012	#13
I thought it was going to be close. I have nothing to apologize for....	Honeycombe8	Nov 2012	#3
No need for names	malaise	Nov 2012	#18
I went by data. Not pundits. Those who thought he'd win a landslide, that was wishful thinking	Honeycombe8	Nov 2012	#26
The popular vote was not close at all	malaise	Nov 2012	#30
Yes. About 1.5%. I hadn't realized it had gone up that much from FL. Election night it was 1%.nt	Honeycombe8	Nov 2012	#44
And still counting	brush	Nov 2012	#51
Let's see...the President wins by at least 3 mill pop vote and more than 100 EV....	OldDem2012	Nov 2012	#39
Adding a recent post by DUer Creek Dog....	OldDem2012	Nov 2012	#43
Well said.	lalalu	Nov 2012	#32
seems to me it WAS close	hfojvt	Nov 2012	#56
you can make a similar case for most elections	InsultComicDog	Nov 2012	#67
Many elections have been close	hfojvt	Nov 2012	#71
What would be the point?	cynatnite	Nov 2012	#4
I always thought that Obama would win...until	Evergreen Emerald	Nov 2012	#5
I'll happily admit I was wrong. I have no problem doing so.	cali	Nov 2012	#6
What is legitimacy? n/t	malaise	Nov 2012	#9
Uniform laws in each states, getting rid of Citizen's United	cali	Nov 2012	#14
No - legitimacy is the view of citizens that the government rightfully earned its right to rule	malaise	Nov 2012	#19
actually, what you suggest is simply one interpretation	cali	Nov 2012	#23
I said legitimate political system not	malaise	Nov 2012	#27
I hope (against hope?) that Congress tackles this issue. The RIGHT to vote EASILY	Honeycombe8	Nov 2012	#31
I would opt to take Rick Hasen, professor of Law & Political Science	BlueCaliDem	Nov 2012	#52
I thought it was a slam dunk after the Dem Nat'l Convention. Then the 1st debate happened.	Honeycombe8	Nov 2012	#11
Only the media could push the view that one debate could decide the plethora of issues	malaise	Nov 2012	#21
It wasn't the issues alone. It was performance. As Obama himself joked...	Honeycombe8	Nov 2012	#22
Debate performance?	malaise	Nov 2012	#29
I seem to recall that Romney lied and flip-flopped constantly during that first debate.....	OldDem2012	Nov 2012	#40
100% correct	malaise	Nov 2012	#41
Yes, Romney lied. But the fact is....Obama lost. Yes, Romney's a lying SOS....	Honeycombe8	Nov 2012	#46
I got it exactly right.	Ikonoklast	Nov 2012	#69
You weren't watching the same MSNBC I was watching during and after the 1st debate.	Honeycombe8	Nov 2012	#47
Yes, I watched those screamers at MSNBC and was horrified by their bad behavior.....	OldDem2012	Nov 2012	#57
Sigh. This isn't a controversy. Obama lost the 1st debate hands down.	Honeycombe8	Nov 2012	#45
Yes, a debate is about DEBATING. It's not about fact checking...	Honeycombe8	Nov 2012	#48
Hmmm. "It's not about fact checking"????....	OldDem2012	Nov 2012	#58
No. The PEOPLE decide who won. Not fact checkers afterwards. Millions decided	Honeycombe8	Nov 2012	#63
IF a debate is not about fact cheking	malaise	Nov 2012	#62
The PEOPLE decide who won. If a debater lies, and the other debater doesn't call him on it...	Honeycombe8	Nov 2012	#66
Here ya go. Funny stuff.	Honeycombe8	Nov 2012	#50
Ignore. nt.	OldDem2012	Nov 2012	#59
I know you can't see this, but for the record: If you can't take facts, why are you in a forum like	Honeycombe8	Nov 2012	#60
...	Safetykitten	Nov 2012	#7
Good post	malaise	Nov 2012	#35
As for our political system being legitimate and always passing the test?	NNN0LHI	Nov 2012	#8
So there were three or four states with problems - serious electoral problems	malaise	Nov 2012	#24
I predicted	lalalu	Nov 2012	#10
Me, too. I just didn't dare dream he'd get over 300 EVs. But he didn't NEED to.	Honeycombe8	Nov 2012	#15
DUer Statistical gave me some serious lessons	malaise	Nov 2012	#36
Maybe the credit goes to the voting public.	Turbineguy	Nov 2012	#12
Absolutely - they believed that if they turned out	malaise	Nov 2012	#33
I trusted Nate Silver and his numbers	obamanut2012	Nov 2012	#16
People are not gullible	malaise	Nov 2012	#37
And, I think this election was a huge grassroots rising	obamanut2012	Nov 2012	#49
In my heart of hearts I knew that we were going to prevail	madokie	Nov 2012	#17
I was calming folks here	malaise	Nov 2012	#38
About 2 weeks before the election DU was pervaded by paranoia	KurtNYC	Nov 2012	#20
And that is why we need this thread	malaise	Nov 2012	#25
It didn't "pass the test" in 2000. nt	ladjf	Nov 2012	#28
And Bush remained illegimate in the eyes of huge numbers because	malaise	Nov 2012	#34
Legitimate, but seriously flawed.	redqueen	Nov 2012	#42
Election integrity concerns were valid, in view of the MSM narrative hyping a big Romney win.	proverbialwisdom	Nov 2012	#53
I told everyone it was in the bag, and no need to vote	jberryhill	Nov 2012	#54
I agree with the view that caution is necessary and people should tell others	malaise	Nov 2012	#73
People get nervous in different ways	jberryhill	Nov 2012	#74
I thought the outcome became obvious during the Repub primaires.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Nov 2012	#55
I WAS wrong...I said he'd take North Carolina too.	DonRedwood	Nov 2012	#61
Sorry this isnt a sports event, no one needs to apologize to anyone else	Marrah_G	Nov 2012	#64
48% of America still voted for someone we laughed off the stage	liberal_at_heart	Nov 2012	#65
The "flaws" need to be fixed this time, however	upi402	Nov 2012	#68
The hair on fire "we could lose" types got to me too. I was sick of their fear. nt	bluestate10	Nov 2012	#70
Malaise, I'll tell you really got on my nerves here...	PCIntern	Nov 2012	#72
Very well said	malaise	Nov 2012	#75
To answer you last statement...	PCIntern	Nov 2012	#76
LOL	malaise	Nov 2012	#77
I think what bugged me the most were the hand ringers and nervous nellies..	DCBob	Nov 2012	#78
I will confess that I was saying it would be "close"	jimlup	Nov 2012	#79
"Pathological Liars Rmoney and Ryan did not fool the American electorate"	Iggy	Nov 2012	#80

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