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NuttyFluffers

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39. a tragedy to learn the lesson of questioning authority so late

Fri Nov 9, 2012, 08:23 PM

Nov 2012

those are one of the earlier lessons necessary to learn for personal growth. without it a lack of coping capacity to the world's horrors will leave you broken.

morality = rules to guide you in a perfect world.
ethics = guidelines to survive in an imperfect world.

cognitive dissonance can be a lethal experience, but at some point you must go through it.

edit: sounds like there's quite a bit of questions to the circumstances of his death. either way it sounds like his blind trust and openness did him in. discretion and savvy are necessary to survive a nest of vipers -- and where there's power, there's vipers.

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Is David Petraeus Dirty? Ted Westhusing Said So, and Then He Shot Himself. [View all] Octafish Nov 2012 OP

bookmarking for later. Your posts are usually deep. nt silvershadow Nov 2012 #1

Please remember the name: WESTHUSING Octafish Nov 2012 #5

I was just thinking about him today while writing about Bradley Manning. And I was also sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #13

When all are not equal under law, it is not the United States of America. Octafish Nov 2012 #54

And Bunnatine "Bunny" Greenhouse. Whistleblower extraordinaire. reusrename Nov 2012 #57

''Bug Splat'' is reportedly a term used to describe the human victims of drone warfare. Octafish Nov 2012 #73

Another suicided victim? ailsagirl Nov 2012 #32

Oh he killed himself on his mother's birthday doncha know, the person he was closest to riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #40

People who don't believe in "conspiracy theories" should take note ailsagirl Nov 2012 #45

Poppy Bush brought up JFK Assassination and ''Conspiracy Theorists'' at Ford Funeral Octafish Nov 2012 #75

Thank you, Octafish. I think it's crucial to get this information out. ailsagirl Nov 2012 #76

+ Pat Tilman & Gold Star Military Families, also Cindy Sheehan's son, and all families of patrice Nov 2012 #66

+1 & Sharing. patrice Nov 2012 #67

me too. msanthrope Nov 2012 #9

I remember that hootinholler Nov 2012 #2

Thanks to Porter Goss, the CIA was a Big Profit Center or Fiscal Black Hole, take your pick... Octafish Nov 2012 #10

Oh Shit Not Those Horrid People AGAIN Foggo, Duke, Wilkes etc HangOnKids Nov 2012 #23

Funny that it all kind of ended when Duke Cunningham went to jail. hootinholler Nov 2012 #41

Like the 2T that Rummy copped to on 9/10/2001? hootinholler Nov 2012 #44

Agreed. nt riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #17

That's probably what the FBI investigation is about - TBF Nov 2012 #38

The Federal Burrial Institution? hootinholler Nov 2012 #42

Exactly - they need to know what TBF Nov 2012 #46

Bookmarking as well, Petraeus was in the end, a Republican flamingdem Nov 2012 #3

Lie, Cheat & Steal is practically a coat-of-arms for sophisticated crime families. Octafish Nov 2012 #15

Thank you for this. Rec. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2012 #4

'I went to the police, but it was like reporting the devil to the witch.' Octafish Nov 2012 #47

I'll read this later Hydra Nov 2012 #6

'I'll be found dead in the woods' Octafish Nov 2012 #74

K & R AzDar Nov 2012 #7

How War Made the Bush Family Rich Octafish Nov 2012 #58

to read later snagglepuss Nov 2012 #8

Love you Octafish malaise Nov 2012 #11

Why was he so...trusting? WinkyDink Nov 2012 #12

That kept jumping out at me as well. Weird nt riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #16

Because he was a good person. sibelian Nov 2012 #56

K&R n/t glinda Nov 2012 #14

Provocative and fascinating tie-in... things that make you go hmmm. K&R! riderinthestorm Nov 2012 #18

Thank you for another thought-provoking post, Octafish. LongTomH Nov 2012 #19

I found the Q and A of his wife after his death very interesting; see link below. ciking724 Nov 2012 #28

'It was almost verbatim.' Octafish Nov 2012 #50

I wonder if the wife is mad at herself marlakay Nov 2012 #60

I just heard on the news that now he will not testify in the Autumn Nov 2012 #20

Who? GeorgeGist Nov 2012 #25

Petraeus. Wolf on CNN said it.n/t Autumn Nov 2012 #26

Of course the Petraeus is dirty. He wouldn't have gotten the job othewise. He was a fraud too... Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2012 #21

Halliburton. PowerToThePeople Nov 2012 #22

i'm finding it very fortuitous timing that Petraus' affair comes out nashville_brook Nov 2012 #24

There are some people here on DU who raised holy-effing hell when Petraus was installed. patrice Nov 2012 #27

i was one. nashville_brook Nov 2012 #55

I remember that. I was puzzled. I don't know very much about military culture, so he looked patrice Nov 2012 #59

I read all this years ago marlakay Nov 2012 #62

I remember a strong & early critique of that war was "a lack of human intelligence" which means that patrice Nov 2012 #64

Wow! k and r, and bookmarking this to read later eom amborin Nov 2012 #29

Wow. Thanks for posting this. I remember this too, and also posted an OP 99th_Monkey Nov 2012 #30

K&R. OnyxCollie Nov 2012 #31

Copied and emailed to the relevant few..... ouch, this looks like it is going to 2on2u Nov 2012 #33

Pallets of shrink-wrapped $100 bills usually do draw some interest when they are 'lost'. Ikonoklast Nov 2012 #34

I read the entire thread, Octafish, and the links embedded Samantha Nov 2012 #35

Thank you for posting this....almost ashamed I didn't know about this sooner. Missn-Hitch Nov 2012 #36

K&R to read more carefully later. Cracklin Charlie Nov 2012 #37

a tragedy to learn the lesson of questioning authority so late NuttyFluffers Nov 2012 #39

You come up with the most marvelous information. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2012 #43

Never liked or trusted him Ichingcarpenter Nov 2012 #48

There is the larger context of shrinking the military budget to consider. ancianita Nov 2012 #49

I've followed you for many years, mostly lurking.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #51

R#97 & K n/t UTUSN Nov 2012 #52

K&R nt raouldukelives Nov 2012 #53

Betrayus was a toadie for the AWOL Bush regime tabasco Nov 2012 #61

War Crimes Act of 1996: definition to include a "grave breach of the Geneva Conventions" reusrename Nov 2012 #63

FWIW: I am a Veteran & my father was a Veteran & I know lots of military in my family, ALL branches patrice Nov 2012 #65

Whose Soldiers?!! *O*U*R* Soldiers! Never Forget! patrice Nov 2012 #68

More links. proverbialwisdom Nov 2012 #69

Thank you, proverbialwisdom. Must-Reads. Octafish Nov 2012 #72

Bookmarking for later. nt Mojorabbit Nov 2012 #70

k & r MinM Nov 2012 #71

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WAR IS WAR: WESTHUSING --A DEATH IN IRAQ Hey There2 Jan 2014 #78

Thank you, Hey There2! Octafish Jan 2014 #79