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leveymg

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16. A couple gross errors of logic stand out in your argument in particular

Sun Jan 15, 2012, 12:59 PM

Jan 2012

1. Ending the Iraq War.<...> Escalated the War in Afghanistan, and started five others, including a looming war with Iran.

Withdrew 10,000 troops as part of the process to wind down the Afghanistan war.
http://news.yahoo.com/10-000-american-troops-pulled-afghanistan-165941530.html

Your point appears to be that Obama drew down troop levels in Afghanistan - but, that ignores the fact that he more than tripled U.S. forces there as part of the Patreaus "Surge" strategy, that hasn't worked to do anything other than to further destablilize the country and increase casualties on both sides.

You totally ignore Obama's multiple "new" wars, particularly the US covert operations (terrorism and sabotage) in Iran. Does that make him "one of the greatest liberal and progressive Presidents" ever? I must admit, on second thought, that is in the style of Lyndon Johnson's great adventures in Southeast Asia.

I don't even want to go into the rest with you, as your responses aren't really on-point. It's not worth the effort arguing tangents.

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Obama's Nefarious Right-wing Plot Revealed! [View all] ProSense Jan 2012 OP

Kick & Rec WonderGrunion Jan 2012 #1

If only the rest of the population got to see this! BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2012 #3

Thanks. Scurrilous Jan 2012 #2

That is very funny! treestar Jan 2012 #4

But, on the other hand . . . leveymg Jan 2012 #5

Obama Bad Obama Bad Obama Bad JoePhilly Jan 2012 #7

Not very good, either. leveymg Jan 2012 #11

"Unemployment rate is still nearly two points higher than when he took office." JoePhilly Jan 2012 #29

Why are you harping on this? Fact remains, unemployment IS higher than when he took office. leveymg Jan 2012 #58

So of 6 items ... you were wrong on one ... JoePhilly Jan 2012 #61

I was right, but was off by about a percent in my estimate of how much higher the U3 rate is now leveymg Jan 2012 #62

Again, you cling to Jan 2009. JoePhilly Jan 2012 #63

And it was headed for 12-14% if not for OBAMA. So please, get into reality. RBInMaine Jan 2012 #77

Your speculation may be right, but it isn't reality leveymg Jan 2012 #83

Hmmm? ProSense Jan 2012 #13

A couple gross errors of logic stand out in your argument in particular leveymg Jan 2012 #16

Hmmmm? ProSense Jan 2012 #18

Good thinking - Escalate, draw down here to reposition troops there, start new wars - War is Peace. leveymg Jan 2012 #19

He did say he would escalate the Afghan war while he was a candidate. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #20

He didn't say we'd be committing open campaigns of terrorism in Iran. leveymg Jan 2012 #23

Switch topic much? JoePhilly Jan 2012 #27

I am not the master of that dance step here. leveymg Jan 2012 #38

No ProSense Jan 2012 #24

Huh? leveymg Jan 2012 #40

I appreciate the effort to try to communicate with anyone that thinks that Number23 Jan 2012 #66

Hyperbolic foolishness and purist nonsense, ONCE AGAIN. "Started five wars." Oh give us a break. RBInMaine Jan 2012 #76

Started five other wars?? DCBob Jan 2012 #84

Would you prefer to go back to the Bush era economy with low unemployment? DCBob Jan 2012 #85

"progressive heroes that we are" hfojvt Jan 2012 #6

Um ProSense Jan 2012 #8

Please, put your expectations into reality. This incessant whining about Obama is very, very old. RBInMaine Jan 2012 #79

The only reason any of that stuff got passed was because the PL held Obama's feet to the fire! msanthrope Jan 2012 #9

.......... young but wise Jan 2012 #50

The GOP hates every one of these accomplishments more than they like breathing NNN0LHI Jan 2012 #10

Just like Bush!1! JNelson6563 Jan 2012 #12

Can we get 3 or 4 more OPs that post hootinholler Jan 2012 #14

Since ProSense Jan 2012 #15

I'm noticing a pattern to your replies to me hootinholler Jan 2012 #31

That pattern progressoid Jan 2012 #64

That's hootinholler Jan 2012 #67

I progressoid Jan 2012 #68

Why ProSense Jan 2012 #69

That's embarrassing ...and hilarious. nt Bonobo Jan 2012 #70

No ProSense Jan 2012 #71

I've embarrassed myself before here hootinholler Jan 2012 #73

Make you a deal. When people stop posting bullshit criticisms, I'll join you in asking folks to stop stevenleser Jan 2012 #17

Where's the bullshit, other than your critique of the critics? leveymg Jan 2012 #21

ProSense has already quite aptly pointed them all out. Just read her responses to you. nt stevenleser Jan 2012 #25

She refuses to address the main points and goes off on tangents. leveymg Jan 2012 #33

A good example of BS can be found in the edit history of your response to me up thread. JoePhilly Jan 2012 #32

I acknowledged that I was off by one percentage point in the BLS stats. leveymg Jan 2012 #35

Bullshit, similar to beauty, is in the eyes of the beholder hootinholler Jan 2012 #34

I believe that he may possibly be doing the best he can within the boundaries of what he is Zorra Jan 2012 #22

I ProSense Jan 2012 #26

And Zorra Jan 2012 #28

President progressoid Jan 2012 #65

Damn President Obama's horrible right-wing plot against progressive issues!!! Aristus Jan 2012 #30

"Ending the Iraq War" mistertrickster Jan 2012 #36

Actually, ProSense Jan 2012 #42

I'm very impressed with all this sourcing . . . mistertrickster Jan 2012 #43

Thanks, and ProSense Jan 2012 #45

I'm not into games. What I see is exactly what I wrote. mistertrickster Jan 2012 #56

Here: ProSense Jan 2012 #72

Okay, back at ya: mistertrickster Jan 2012 #86

I don't believe it. Rex Jan 2012 #37

Once again, the people with the weakest Dem values act condescending... ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #39

What do you consider strong "Dem values"? leveymg Jan 2012 #41

You have to ask?? ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #46

No, I want to know what yours are: leveymg Jan 2012 #48

Here's a good template... ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #51

Means and ends. Not the same thing. leveymg Jan 2012 #53

No, they're underlying values. And if all you're looking at are the lists... ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #55

I think the concept of "radical centrist" is important and accurate in describing neoliberals. leveymg Jan 2012 #60

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #44

Here's ProSense Jan 2012 #47

I don't see anything Rape-Publican or condescending about it. ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #49

Pot kettle, dude. And right backatcha. Nt DevonRex Jan 2012 #52

All condescension and no content. Thank you for proving the point... ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #54

Pot, kettle. And right backatcha again. Nt DevonRex Jan 2012 #57

Hey you forgot to post your Superior Dance. AtomicKitten Jan 2012 #59

K & R Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #74

And for folks that do not already have these links ... Tx4obama Jan 2012 #75

+ 1 deacon Jan 2012 #80

As usual the non-reality purist Obama bashers are here. Yawn... RBInMaine Jan 2012 #78

Someone laid out a set of false accolades, they were refuted. Reality isn't important to you? leveymg Jan 2012 #81

leveymg's posts are more reality based fascisthunter Jan 2012 #82