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Frostlight

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26. They Literally CAN'T Learn Anything that Conflicts with Their Narrative:
Thu Jun 23, 2022, 08:06 AM
Jun 2022
https://bsbuzzsaw.com/2018/04/04/why-conservatives-cant-learn/


Date: April 4, 2018
Author: G.S.Croft

This requires a bit of set up, so stick it out:

The very existence of Bullshit Mountain should not be possible in a world inhabited by an educated, rational, and enlightened populace. Yet the Bullshit that forms the steep slopes, rocky crags, and soaring peaks of the Behemoth is exceptionally well-documented.
The phenomenon that is Bullshit Mountain is made possible by a very interesting and frightening reality of human nature: that there are many, many among us who simply can’t learn anything that might conflict with their world view. The vast majority of those identify themselves as ‘conservatives’.
Sure, there are non-conservatives that believe things that are not true and will not learn extant facts which might cast doubt on their beliefs, but such examples are somewhat rare. The important difference between conservatives and non-conservatives is not how readily they fall for false information, but how willing they are to discard what is proven to be bullshit. For instance, when non-conservatives encounter a false story that aligns with their beliefs, they will circulate the story until they encounter the actual facts that debunk that story. That there are many non-conservatives that pride themselves on fact-checking is part of their collective mechanism that filters out Bullshit with some effectiveness over time. But when conservatives encounter a bullshit story like the Clinton/Uranium One deal, no matter how many times they are exposed to the actual facts, no matter how thoroughly those facts are explained, and no matter how much more sense those facts make, they simply cannot learn those facts if it means they might have to abandon their belief. Notice how I said ‘cannot’ instead of ‘will not’? I’ll get to that in just a bit.

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In the case of the Clinton/Uranium One deal hyperlinked above, if you ask a conservative who believed the story a year ago if they still believed it today, nine-thousand, nine-hundred and ninety-nine times out of ten-thousand, they will tell you “Clinton sold 20% of our uranium to Russia!”. Then, even if you show them the facts which make that belief look entirely ridiculous, they will say the same thing this time next year… and the year after that… and the year after that.

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WHY? HOW?

Take some of the following examples:

Explain to a conservative that the theory the globe was cooling was just a postulation by a small group of scientists, and when the data were gathered the idea was proven completely wrong and that in fact, the opposite was proven to be true.
A year later, that same conservative will still say that global warming is bunk because ‘scientists also said’ the Earth was cooling.

Tell a conservative that the Theory of Evolution has been proven through the study of not only fossils, but of plants and bacteria in real time.
A year later, that same conservative will still say, “Evolution is just a theory!” Then try explaining that proven theories are actually facts… it won’t matter.

The conservatives who still believe Obama isn’t an American despite the fact that he could have been born on the Moon and still been a US citizen by virtue of his mother’s status?
Try prying that from their cold, dim heads.

Those that believe that the ACA (aka ‘Obamacare’) had provisions for death panels?
Still there.

That Saddam Hussein had WsMD?
No significant change.
And that’s not even the proverbial tip.

Certainly, not every conservative believes the exact same bullshit, but a surprising majority adhere to the same beliefs. Also there are non-conservatives who believe some bullshit as well. But the staggering difference is in just how much more unwilling conservatives are to adjust their worldview based on the facts. It would be easy to say that they must simply be stupid, or that they are scientifically illiterate. But that’s not necessarily the case (even though there seems to be a downward correlation between conservatism and IQ). The reality isn’t that conservatives are stupid, or that they won’t accept facts they don’t like… the reality is that they can’t.

Now... here's why;
Cry Me a Fuckin' River [View all] NanceGreggs Jun 2022 OP
I agree 💯 percent COL Mustard Jun 2022 #1
I'm with you Skittles Jun 2022 #2
Extremely, and on both ends! Initech Jun 2022 #79
Great job, Nance! colorado_ufo Jun 2022 #3
Unfortunately, it is triggering violence or at least violent threats from many of these GD idiots hlthe2b Jun 2022 #4
"Political violence" - we need to call it by its name Novara Jun 2022 #15
I scratch my head at their reasons for voting for Trump. One guy Emile Jun 2022 #5
Four years of of the NYT demanding agingdem Jun 2022 #25
Demonstrating stupid equals dangerous. rubbersole Jun 2022 #36
Trump has continuously shown that he is a man with no conscience. everyonematters Jun 2022 #6
No Character. OMGWTF Jun 2022 #75
Great quote! calimary Jun 2022 #82
They took all the bait because of the hate within them. madaboutharry Jun 2022 #7
I suspect it is the way they are wired. They are susceptible to being conned. CentralMass Jun 2022 #8
These people should be monitored as Registered Coup Offenders for the rest of their lives /nt bucolic_frolic Jun 2022 #9
Are these people really watching? onlyadream Jun 2022 #10
if they are it's background noise... agingdem Jun 2022 #42
Nor in my world. sop Jun 2022 #66
This is so disheartening onlyadream Jun 2022 #69
X 1000, NG. Fuck the trump whores, forever. (nt) Paladin Jun 2022 #11
Someone posted an explanation a week or ... Whiskeytide Jun 2022 #12
+1 2naSalit Jun 2022 #18
Here mobeau69 Jun 2022 #21
That's it. Thanks. n/t Whiskeytide Jun 2022 #27
No need to sugarcoat it...what di you really think 🤔 ashredux Jun 2022 #13
Trump was just the culmination of over 50 years of Republican propaganda. Lonestarblue Jun 2022 #14
+1 2naSalit Jun 2022 #19
Never forget: Reagan Ruined Everything Novara Jun 2022 #24
Yep. The hypocrisy of Schlafly is how she slaved... keep_left Jun 2022 #62
Thank you for that True Blue American Jun 2022 #29
Time and kindness... rubbersole Jun 2022 #41
Yet they claim to be Democrat True Blue American Jun 2022 #46
Exactly. RocRizzo55 Jun 2022 #56
This deserves the great Barbadian Jackie Opel malaise Jun 2022 #16
I dare him to sing "Cry me a fucking river" :)...I love that song, Dianne Kroll sings it so good Escurumbele Jun 2022 #32
Nice. rubbersole Jun 2022 #44
Almost posted both of them malaise Jun 2022 #47
There is something in the human psyche that hates admitting when we're duped Maeve Jun 2022 #17
A facet of toxic masculinity, I'd imagine. 2naSalit Jun 2022 #22
And we're gonna get evicted if we don't wise up soon. Joinfortmill Jun 2022 #37
Oh, it's coming... 2naSalit Jun 2022 #40
The rest of these problems are nothing compared to the water problem The Jungle 1 Jun 2022 #60
There is an old saying, something like "It's much easier to con someone than panader0 Jun 2022 #23
You're doing better than I am. Joinfortmill Jun 2022 #38
Very well put and I believe your explanation is the most accurate. llmart Jun 2022 #43
Yeah, I sure do get that, Maeve. calimary Jun 2022 #83
What is scary is even when they know they were duped they will vote trump if he is the nominee mucifer Jun 2022 #20
They Literally CAN'T Learn Anything that Conflicts with Their Narrative: Frostlight Jun 2022 #26
A lot of that is probably true...especially the tribalism part, but they are also Joinfortmill Jun 2022 #35
+1 llmart Jun 2022 #45
Amen. Good their seeing the truth, otherwise I don't give a flying fuck. Joinfortmill Jun 2022 #28
...K&R... spanone Jun 2022 #30
Unfortunately, it will get worst before it gets better. These idiots refuse to see the light, too Escurumbele Jun 2022 #31
That one finished me. True Blue American Jun 2022 #34
"Dearly Deluded" liberalla Jun 2022 #33
AND...there are still Maghat assholes who write shit like this: Mr. Ected Jun 2022 #39
I applaud you for being so circumspect. Frankly, I hope they all choke on their niyad Jun 2022 #48
I don't think the analysis was meant to make people feel sorry for them MissMillie Jun 2022 #49
K&R Blue Owl Jun 2022 #50
Sympathy... Ohio Joe Jun 2022 #51
Exactly! Thank you! He invited them to be their basest, ugliest, worst selves 2Gingersnaps Jun 2022 #52
The truly DEPLORABLE see Trump for what he is, and they love him for it. Martin Eden Jun 2022 #53
Totally agree with you, as usual - however solara Jun 2022 #54
Traitorous Idiots RocRizzo55 Jun 2022 #55
Somehow the refrain of Jefferson Airplane's "We Can Be Together" comes to mind RFCalifornia Jun 2022 #57
I read an opinion piece by someone like Thomas Friedman, not sure who it really cksmithy Jun 2022 #58
The amateur "prophet" I follow on YouTube TlalocW Jun 2022 #59
When you're brainwashed for that long you are unable to tell truth from reality. Initech Jun 2022 #61
Magats I know will never in a million years go against Trump. If video came out of Trump Pepsidog Jun 2022 #63
He could abort his daughter on TV The Wizard Jun 2022 #72
As ever, Nance for the win! 11 Bravo Jun 2022 #64
Music to my ears Traildogbob Jun 2022 #65
The Dearly Deluded DFW Jun 2022 #67
Nailed it again! Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #68
Kare ra wa totrmo baka yaro desu YoshidaYui Jun 2022 #70
Once again Faux pas Jun 2022 #71
They still won't get it... These people are coo-coo and completely deluded jimlup Jun 2022 #73
A righteous rant! Richard58 Jun 2022 #74
You are correct! geardaddy Jun 2022 #76
K&R. William769 Jun 2022 #77
I believe they unapologetically knew what they were doing. The Grand Illuminist Jun 2022 #78
What you said! czarjak Jun 2022 #80
K&R akbacchus_BC Jun 2022 #81
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