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In reply to the discussion: Cry Me a Fuckin' River [View all]Frostlight
(90 posts)26. They Literally CAN'T Learn Anything that Conflicts with Their Narrative:
https://bsbuzzsaw.com/2018/04/04/why-conservatives-cant-learn/
Date: April 4, 2018
Author: G.S.Croft
This requires a bit of set up, so stick it out:
The very existence of Bullshit Mountain should not be possible in a world inhabited by an educated, rational, and enlightened populace. Yet the Bullshit that forms the steep slopes, rocky crags, and soaring peaks of the Behemoth is exceptionally well-documented.
The phenomenon that is Bullshit Mountain is made possible by a very interesting and frightening reality of human nature: that there are many, many among us who simply cant learn anything that might conflict with their world view. The vast majority of those identify themselves as conservatives.
Sure, there are non-conservatives that believe things that are not true and will not learn extant facts which might cast doubt on their beliefs, but such examples are somewhat rare. The important difference between conservatives and non-conservatives is not how readily they fall for false information, but how willing they are to discard what is proven to be bullshit. For instance, when non-conservatives encounter a false story that aligns with their beliefs, they will circulate the story until they encounter the actual facts that debunk that story. That there are many non-conservatives that pride themselves on fact-checking is part of their collective mechanism that filters out Bullshit with some effectiveness over time. But when conservatives encounter a bullshit story like the Clinton/Uranium One deal, no matter how many times they are exposed to the actual facts, no matter how thoroughly those facts are explained, and no matter how much more sense those facts make, they simply cannot learn those facts if it means they might have to abandon their belief. Notice how I said cannot instead of will not? Ill get to that in just a bit.
suspense
In the case of the Clinton/Uranium One deal hyperlinked above, if you ask a conservative who believed the story a year ago if they still believed it today, nine-thousand, nine-hundred and ninety-nine times out of ten-thousand, they will tell you Clinton sold 20% of our uranium to Russia!. Then, even if you show them the facts which make that belief look entirely ridiculous, they will say the same thing this time next year and the year after that and the year after that.
boulder
WHY? HOW?
Take some of the following examples:
Explain to a conservative that the theory the globe was cooling was just a postulation by a small group of scientists, and when the data were gathered the idea was proven completely wrong and that in fact, the opposite was proven to be true.
A year later, that same conservative will still say that global warming is bunk because scientists also said the Earth was cooling.
Tell a conservative that the Theory of Evolution has been proven through the study of not only fossils, but of plants and bacteria in real time.
A year later, that same conservative will still say, Evolution is just a theory! Then try explaining that proven theories are actually facts it wont matter.
The conservatives who still believe Obama isnt an American despite the fact that he could have been born on the Moon and still been a US citizen by virtue of his mothers status?
Try prying that from their cold, dim heads.
Those that believe that the ACA (aka Obamacare) had provisions for death panels?
Still there.
That Saddam Hussein had WsMD?
No significant change.
And thats not even the proverbial tip.
Certainly, not every conservative believes the exact same bullshit, but a surprising majority adhere to the same beliefs. Also there are non-conservatives who believe some bullshit as well. But the staggering difference is in just how much more unwilling conservatives are to adjust their worldview based on the facts. It would be easy to say that they must simply be stupid, or that they are scientifically illiterate. But thats not necessarily the case (even though there seems to be a downward correlation between conservatism and IQ). The reality isnt that conservatives are stupid, or that they wont accept facts they dont like the reality is that they cant.
Now... here's why;
Date: April 4, 2018
Author: G.S.Croft
This requires a bit of set up, so stick it out:
The very existence of Bullshit Mountain should not be possible in a world inhabited by an educated, rational, and enlightened populace. Yet the Bullshit that forms the steep slopes, rocky crags, and soaring peaks of the Behemoth is exceptionally well-documented.
The phenomenon that is Bullshit Mountain is made possible by a very interesting and frightening reality of human nature: that there are many, many among us who simply cant learn anything that might conflict with their world view. The vast majority of those identify themselves as conservatives.
Sure, there are non-conservatives that believe things that are not true and will not learn extant facts which might cast doubt on their beliefs, but such examples are somewhat rare. The important difference between conservatives and non-conservatives is not how readily they fall for false information, but how willing they are to discard what is proven to be bullshit. For instance, when non-conservatives encounter a false story that aligns with their beliefs, they will circulate the story until they encounter the actual facts that debunk that story. That there are many non-conservatives that pride themselves on fact-checking is part of their collective mechanism that filters out Bullshit with some effectiveness over time. But when conservatives encounter a bullshit story like the Clinton/Uranium One deal, no matter how many times they are exposed to the actual facts, no matter how thoroughly those facts are explained, and no matter how much more sense those facts make, they simply cannot learn those facts if it means they might have to abandon their belief. Notice how I said cannot instead of will not? Ill get to that in just a bit.
suspense
In the case of the Clinton/Uranium One deal hyperlinked above, if you ask a conservative who believed the story a year ago if they still believed it today, nine-thousand, nine-hundred and ninety-nine times out of ten-thousand, they will tell you Clinton sold 20% of our uranium to Russia!. Then, even if you show them the facts which make that belief look entirely ridiculous, they will say the same thing this time next year and the year after that and the year after that.
boulder
WHY? HOW?
Take some of the following examples:
Explain to a conservative that the theory the globe was cooling was just a postulation by a small group of scientists, and when the data were gathered the idea was proven completely wrong and that in fact, the opposite was proven to be true.
A year later, that same conservative will still say that global warming is bunk because scientists also said the Earth was cooling.
Tell a conservative that the Theory of Evolution has been proven through the study of not only fossils, but of plants and bacteria in real time.
A year later, that same conservative will still say, Evolution is just a theory! Then try explaining that proven theories are actually facts it wont matter.
The conservatives who still believe Obama isnt an American despite the fact that he could have been born on the Moon and still been a US citizen by virtue of his mothers status?
Try prying that from their cold, dim heads.
Those that believe that the ACA (aka Obamacare) had provisions for death panels?
Still there.
That Saddam Hussein had WsMD?
No significant change.
And thats not even the proverbial tip.
Certainly, not every conservative believes the exact same bullshit, but a surprising majority adhere to the same beliefs. Also there are non-conservatives who believe some bullshit as well. But the staggering difference is in just how much more unwilling conservatives are to adjust their worldview based on the facts. It would be easy to say that they must simply be stupid, or that they are scientifically illiterate. But thats not necessarily the case (even though there seems to be a downward correlation between conservatism and IQ). The reality isnt that conservatives are stupid, or that they wont accept facts they dont like the reality is that they cant.
Now... here's why;
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Unfortunately, it is triggering violence or at least violent threats from many of these GD idiots
hlthe2b
Jun 2022
#4
I suspect it is the way they are wired. They are susceptible to being conned.
CentralMass
Jun 2022
#8
These people should be monitored as Registered Coup Offenders for the rest of their lives /nt
bucolic_frolic
Jun 2022
#9
I dare him to sing "Cry me a fucking river" :)...I love that song, Dianne Kroll sings it so good
Escurumbele
Jun 2022
#32
What is scary is even when they know they were duped they will vote trump if he is the nominee
mucifer
Jun 2022
#20
A lot of that is probably true...especially the tribalism part, but they are also
Joinfortmill
Jun 2022
#35
Unfortunately, it will get worst before it gets better. These idiots refuse to see the light, too
Escurumbele
Jun 2022
#31
Exactly! Thank you! He invited them to be their basest, ugliest, worst selves
2Gingersnaps
Jun 2022
#52
Somehow the refrain of Jefferson Airplane's "We Can Be Together" comes to mind
RFCalifornia
Jun 2022
#57
I read an opinion piece by someone like Thomas Friedman, not sure who it really
cksmithy
Jun 2022
#58
When you're brainwashed for that long you are unable to tell truth from reality.
Initech
Jun 2022
#61
Magats I know will never in a million years go against Trump. If video came out of Trump
Pepsidog
Jun 2022
#63