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In reply to the discussion: Sinking of the Moskva is a game changer. My updated thoughts on the war. [View all]mahatmakanejeeves
(57,393 posts)53. Got that link right here.
And for those who think the Ukrainians are indestructible, they're not. Read an interview with a Ukrainian fighter jet pilot who said "We're losing planes daily, they don't talk about it publicly but we are". 1000 Ukrainian Marines surrendered in Mariupol this week including a UK citizen.
Wed Apr 13, 2022: Ukrainian fighter pilots in old jets take on better-equipped Russians
Europe
Ukrainian fighter pilots in old jets take on better-equipped Russians
By Isabelle Khurshudyan
Today at 2:00 a.m. EDT
ODESSA, Ukraine The fighter pilot known as Juice usually just has a few minutes to scramble. When he is on-call, which is pretty much always these days, he cannot be more than a bathroom break away from his cockpit. When a cruise missile or a Russian fighter is spotted moving toward the area Juice is assigned to by the Ukrainian air force, he doesnt even have time to run through standard safety checks before taking off.
Were ready to be killed, said Juice, who provided only his call sign for security reasons. ... But we dont want this, of course, the 29-year-old added. We want to kill Russians and take down their bombers that are killing our cities and our families. ... Juice is one of the pilots helping Ukraine pull off the biggest surprise of this war: Its military has kept the airspace over Ukraine contested despite Russias more advanced jets and superior numbers. But he and other pilots say thats not enough. While Kyivs forces have perhaps even outperformed Moscows on the ground, Russia has continued to inflict heavy losses on Ukraine from the sky.
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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has appealed to the United States and other NATO allies to establish a no-fly zone over the country a step that leaders in the military alliance refused to take, citing fears of touching off a world war with Moscow. Now Zelensky is pushing for more advanced air-defense systems and jets. ... But Juice and others have said the weapons that countries have discussed transferring to Ukraine particularly Russian-made MiG-29 fighters and U.S.-made Stinger antiaircraft missiles wont help Kyivs air force tip the scales in its favor. The gap between the weapons Ukraine wants and what Western countries are willing to supply has become a key tension nearly two months into the fighting.
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Analysts at the Oryx Blog, which tracks Russian military losses, documented 20 aircraft and 30 helicopters destroyed or damaged in Ukraine.
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https://wapo.st/37H7LaF
By Isabelle Khurshudyan
Isabelle Khurshudyan is a foreign correspondent based in Moscow. A University of South Carolina graduate, she has worked at The Washington Post since 2014, previously as a sports reporter covering the Washington Capitals, high school sports and local colleges. Twitter https://twitter.com/ikhurshudyan
Ukrainian fighter pilots in old jets take on better-equipped Russians
By Isabelle Khurshudyan
Today at 2:00 a.m. EDT
ODESSA, Ukraine The fighter pilot known as Juice usually just has a few minutes to scramble. When he is on-call, which is pretty much always these days, he cannot be more than a bathroom break away from his cockpit. When a cruise missile or a Russian fighter is spotted moving toward the area Juice is assigned to by the Ukrainian air force, he doesnt even have time to run through standard safety checks before taking off.
Were ready to be killed, said Juice, who provided only his call sign for security reasons. ... But we dont want this, of course, the 29-year-old added. We want to kill Russians and take down their bombers that are killing our cities and our families. ... Juice is one of the pilots helping Ukraine pull off the biggest surprise of this war: Its military has kept the airspace over Ukraine contested despite Russias more advanced jets and superior numbers. But he and other pilots say thats not enough. While Kyivs forces have perhaps even outperformed Moscows on the ground, Russia has continued to inflict heavy losses on Ukraine from the sky.
{snip video}
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has appealed to the United States and other NATO allies to establish a no-fly zone over the country a step that leaders in the military alliance refused to take, citing fears of touching off a world war with Moscow. Now Zelensky is pushing for more advanced air-defense systems and jets. ... But Juice and others have said the weapons that countries have discussed transferring to Ukraine particularly Russian-made MiG-29 fighters and U.S.-made Stinger antiaircraft missiles wont help Kyivs air force tip the scales in its favor. The gap between the weapons Ukraine wants and what Western countries are willing to supply has become a key tension nearly two months into the fighting.
{more snipping}
Analysts at the Oryx Blog, which tracks Russian military losses, documented 20 aircraft and 30 helicopters destroyed or damaged in Ukraine.
{again with the snipping}
Gift Article
https://wapo.st/37H7LaF
By Isabelle Khurshudyan
Isabelle Khurshudyan is a foreign correspondent based in Moscow. A University of South Carolina graduate, she has worked at The Washington Post since 2014, previously as a sports reporter covering the Washington Capitals, high school sports and local colleges. Twitter https://twitter.com/ikhurshudyan
Attack On Europe: Documenting Equipment Losses During The 2022 Russian Invasion Of Ukraine
Oryx Thursday, February 24, 2022 Bayraktar TB2 , DNR
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Oryx Thursday, February 24, 2022 Bayraktar TB2 , DNR
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Sinking of the Moskva is a game changer. My updated thoughts on the war. [View all]
WarGamer
Apr 2022
OP
Seems like it would be hard to make a rallying cry out of "we had an accident."
Gidney N Cloyd
Apr 2022
#3
in the Kremlin at this very moment they're probably working on how to propagandize it.
WarGamer
Apr 2022
#4
So, it sunk by chance of the weather? then why are they crying about Ukraine.
Tetrachloride
Apr 2022
#6
Putrid still wants this to look like a special operation small scale skirmish
uponit7771
Apr 2022
#5
Remember when all the Righties and War Hawks were chanting for the US to "Bomb Iran?"
TheBlackAdder
Apr 2022
#50
As a Navy vet, one thing that I learned was that it was not the size of a bomb
Chainfire
Apr 2022
#22
They will fight until they "claim" a victory. Probably after wrecking half the country.
WarGamer
Apr 2022
#33
And if Putin had easily taken Ukraine, then he'd have just gone on to his next target
pnwmom
Apr 2022
#32
I agree with your statements, this war will go on, Russia can never admit defeat, no matter the cost
Shanti Shanti Shanti
Apr 2022
#39