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Crunchy Frog

(26,753 posts)
38. I'll probably get flamed for this, but
Mon Mar 21, 2022, 04:01 AM
Mar 2022

I think it was a big mistake for Biden to categorically rule out direct military involvement in Ukraine.

Even if that was his actual position, he should have still left some room for uncertainty in Putin's mind.

I feel that his making that statement gave Putin the sense that he could get away with absolutely anything, up to and including genocide, with the guarantee that we wouldn't intervene.

At this point I'm not sure I can even call what's happening a war. It's more like a sustained and continuous terrorist attack.

At this point we should be putting other possibilities on the table, like saying that any government or military official who travels to the West may be subject to arrest for crimes against humanity, and that might also apply to anyone known to have served in the military during this time period.

We need to start getting creative because I think that he might get to the point of actual genocide, or chemical/biological/tactical nukes.

If we've ruled out direct engagement, then we need to be thinking of some truly draconian policies beyond conventional sanctions.

Anyway, that's JMHO.

Never again say "never again." [View all] TomSlick Mar 2022 OP
Amen 🙏 nt Tickle Mar 2022 #1
I agree I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2022 #2
I do not advocate widespread bombing of Russia. TomSlick Mar 2022 #4
And if this triggers nuclear war? SoonerPride Mar 2022 #13
He is asking where the line is. Happy Hoosier Mar 2022 #42
Sadly yes. We have no treaty agreement with Ukraine. SoonerPride Mar 2022 #44
I'm just pissed off at putrid. I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2022 #31
Feel sure if chemical/biological/radiation is used, there will be military consequences. Hoyt Mar 2022 #3
Perhaps. If that was a red line, I would have excepted it to be announced. TomSlick Mar 2022 #5
This is not like drawing a line in the sand on a cowboy show, at last not in public. Hoyt Mar 2022 #7
Understood. TomSlick Mar 2022 #10
Unfortunately, we may have to find out. Hoyt Mar 2022 #11
It was done in Syria without consequences. bobacatt Mar 2022 #23
True, but we sadly were not as concerned about Syria or our own invasion of Iraq. Hoyt Mar 2022 #24
Syria was also more complicated bobacatt Mar 2022 #25
+1, uponit7771 Mar 2022 #35
I think Biden has demonstrated great courage in non-engagement. David__77 Mar 2022 #6
It appears "never again" is a phrase headed for retirement. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #8
"Very frustrating" is an understatement. BigmanPigman Mar 2022 #9
"Never again" is headed for retirement only if we chose to allow it to do so. TomSlick Mar 2022 #14
Exactly Calculating Mar 2022 #18
There is a new reality, the rules of engagement have changed dramatically. Irish_Dem Mar 2022 #39
So what exactly would you have the US and NATO do? SoonerPride Mar 2022 #12
Since you asked, TomSlick Mar 2022 #15
And if this triggers nuclear war you are willing to take that chance? SoonerPride Mar 2022 #16
He's not gonna end the world over Ukraine Calculating Mar 2022 #19
I think Putin is not willing to lose gracefully. bobacatt Mar 2022 #32
+1, Putrid is an asshole he's not completely suicidal and neither are the people around him uponit7771 Mar 2022 #36
Exactly. AngryOldDem Mar 2022 #43
Are you willing to let Putin run amok at the fear of a nuclear war? TomSlick Mar 2022 #20
If he invades or bombs a NATO country then we are at war. SoonerPride Mar 2022 #45
That's my question. TomSlick Mar 2022 #46
Russia can do anything in Ukraine SoonerPride Mar 2022 #47
There was a suggestion by the SecDef this weekend TomSlick Mar 2022 #48
We need to be talking with our members of Congress James48 Mar 2022 #17
I agree. TomSlick Mar 2022 #21
You packing your bags for Eastern Europe? relayerbob Mar 2022 #22
This isn't the Holocaust. bobacatt Mar 2022 #26
The Holocaust was actually 12 or 13 million killed in the camps AdamGG Mar 2022 #29
I think the Jews were the people who coined "Never again." bobacatt Mar 2022 #30
Ukraininans I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2022 #33
Yes, I learned that just recently bobacatt Mar 2022 #34
True, not holocaust but text book definition of genocide (link) since Putrid is by pattern and uponit7771 Mar 2022 #37
Russia has nuclear deterrence AdamGG Mar 2022 #27
NATO is a defensive alliance, so the question is moot. L. Coyote Mar 2022 #28
I'll probably get flamed for this, but Crunchy Frog Mar 2022 #38
This is a good point bobacatt Mar 2022 #40
We allowed all of the above in Syria, remember? dwayneb Mar 2022 #41
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