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Metaphorical

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22. This is a hostage situation
Fri Mar 4, 2022, 11:07 PM
Mar 2022

The perpetrator has swathed himself in dynamite and has it rigged to a deadman's switch, he has a gun to a hostage's head, and the perpetrator doesn't really care whether he dies or not.

The officer on the scene knows full well that the perp is not going to make it out alive, but he wants the hostages unharmed. A direct assault (a no-fly zone) would certainly provoke an escalation, which I'm coming to believe Putin wants.

I'm of the same belief as most everyone here. The Ukrainians are capable fighters - give them the weapons they need, the support to get civilians out of the way, and let them fight their war. Given everything else, I think they might even be able to win.

No SmittyWerben Mar 2022 #1
That is the argument that Lawrence O'Donnell was making tonight JohnSJ Mar 2022 #10
It's a good one. nt crickets Mar 2022 #28
Here's Lawrence O'Donnell: Rhiannon12866 Mar 2022 #42
PUH LEASE with the "no fly zone" !! Long and short range AA do WAAAAAY better than no fly zone with uponit7771 Mar 2022 #2
I'm with you on that. They need to be able to defend themselves from the aerial assault. gldstwmn Mar 2022 #6
Yep but aerial assault is from Putrids punk ass move to go after civilians with unguided muntions uponit7771 Mar 2022 #7
What's FOSINT? relayerbob Mar 2022 #20
Free Open Source Intel uponit7771 Mar 2022 #34
Thanks relayerbob Mar 2022 #38
I got to Twitter to get info but APIs are common for satellites for your own use uponit7771 Mar 2022 #39
Got a link? relayerbob Mar 2022 #43
yep uponit7771 Mar 2022 #44
Excellent, thanks again relayerbob Mar 2022 #46
"Foundations of Open Source Intelligence and Security Informatics" lastlib Mar 2022 #31
Thanks relayerbob Mar 2022 #37
Agreed, especially needed are long range AA n/t AntiFascist Mar 2022 #12
Agreed relayerbob Mar 2022 #18
I think its possible thse positions could change BootinUp Mar 2022 #3
Absolutely not!!! MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #4
+++ JohnSJ Mar 2022 #5
Only a handful of votes supporting a nuclear Holocaust in this one. BannonsLiver Mar 2022 #8
I see No is clearly winning, so we're OK with putin killing 40 million people? krawhitham Mar 2022 #9
Nobody fucking said that, MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #11
43,295,254 people in Ukraine, they will not give up and putin will not back down krawhitham Mar 2022 #15
7,931,294,345 in the world sarisataka Mar 2022 #49
Thank-you. Too many are not thinking the long run. I wonder how many here for implementing a JohnSJ Mar 2022 #17
I did, I was in High School at the time and I well remember MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #25
same here. I remember coming home from school and saw my parents looking so worried JohnSJ Mar 2022 #26
I did, in Key West, FL. 2naSalit Mar 2022 #29
You were right in the middle of it JohnSJ Mar 2022 #30
Yup. 2naSalit Mar 2022 #32
It isn't that simple. A no-fly zone is equivalent to a declaration of war. Going alone without JohnSJ Mar 2022 #13
I understand why it's labeled a "reckless action", but putin will not stop with Ukraine krawhitham Mar 2022 #19
You are assuming Russia will win this war relayerbob Mar 2022 #24
What makes you think Putin is going to win? MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #27
Putin is having a hard time in Ukraine. I couldn't imagine him trying to extend his military even Sapient Donkey Mar 2022 #48
Ukraine would be the absolute first to get hit, 100% certain relayerbob Mar 2022 #21
No because I llke low cost 48656c6c6f20 Mar 2022 #14
Do you want WWIII? Because that's how you get WWIII. Spider Jerusalem Mar 2022 #16
A no fly zone would be a declaration of war against Russia. No one should be OK with that JohnSJ Mar 2022 #23
This is a hostage situation Metaphorical Mar 2022 #22
Covert action, yes. BlueWavePsych Mar 2022 #33
Anyone promoting escalation on this site should think twice and then think some more. ConflictResolution Mar 2022 #35
You are spot on. MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2022 #40
Other. Maru Kitteh Mar 2022 #36
Here's Lawrence O'Donnell, for those who missed this segment: Rhiannon12866 Mar 2022 #41
not only no, but fuck no. Calista241 Mar 2022 #45
No. I think there is merit to the idea that would be a gift to Putin at this time. Sapient Donkey Mar 2022 #47
No LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2022 #50
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