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Chin music

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1. We made a treaty w NATO partners.
Sun Jan 30, 2022, 04:51 PM
Jan 2022

Nobody WANTS war. It's red herring argument imo. It's like saying you are against "life' because a woman has a right to choose what happens to a clump of cells. That's a horseshit virtue signaling position and we all know it. War happens sometimes. This time it seems to me, it's worth it. If we aren't going to use the military, why are we paying fo it? We know what a military is for. It's all volunteer on top of it.
We all better be real mindful of our obligations to others bc we may need somebody's help real soon too. We have every day of our lives to deal w the MIC, but even when there's no war, we don't. We may need to be rescued ourselves. Soon.
The reality is putin has been waging a silent war on us for the last 5 years. He installed trmp just like he's been warned not to do in Ukraine. When do we intend to deal with that reality? When they steal the next election and our military is turned on us?
We have been called on to help other nations in Europe that we PROMISED by treaty we would. That's called being reliable. Keeping promises, being trustworthy, even when it's hard. Europe and Asia already don't trust us as business partners after trmp, and are making deals w other countries. How far are we going to let that go?
NO I don't want war. I don't want cancer either. Sometimes shit happens and you deal with it. Life isn't pretty. This isn't Iraq as far as what's up. This is filling a promise w made in my humble opinion. Anti war is a a set-up to be over run by the likes of russia and others. i respect what I've been given as a citizen of this nation. I want to give this nation to the next generation as good as, or better than how we got it. That includes our reputation and standing in the world. Not just as a trading partner for the 1% to thrive on. We all live here too and have a duty to those that have come before, and will come later...hopefully. It's worth fighting for.
That's my 2 cents I guess.

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We made a treaty w NATO partners. Chin music Jan 2022 #1
This is where I am as well Bettie Jan 2022 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #4
The US has no treaty obligation with respect to Ukraine Klaralven Jan 2022 #6
So, you think it would be cool to allow Bettie Jan 2022 #7
Most former Warsaw Pact members are now members of NATO, so they are covered by treaty. Klaralven Jan 2022 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #10
That's the point I was planning to make Bettie Jan 2022 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #14
Ukraine is not a NATO member Klaralven Jan 2022 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #16
I don't know what you mean muriel_volestrangler Jan 2022 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #35
You need to express yourself better muriel_volestrangler Jan 2022 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #46
Ukraine is 'NATO allied' and should be a NATO member radius777 Jan 2022 #43
But they're not n/t Polybius Jan 2022 #49
No war period. Demsrule86 Jan 2022 #32
It's what I've been thinking as well, Chin music. At some point Uncle Sam's word ... Hekate Jan 2022 #26
Re: staring down the jaws of the Russian Bear... Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #38
Putin is attacking the EU the way he's attacking the US: with propaganda and cyber-weapons Hekate Jan 2022 #39
"Security assurances" as presented in your post is a bit vague. Jedi Guy Jan 2022 #40
Didn't mean to be snarky about my search; just indicating there's a lot--and a lot I needed reminding Hekate Jan 2022 #41
We have no treaty with Ukraine. former9thward Jan 2022 #31
Ukraine isn't in NATO Polybius Jan 2022 #48
To defend the West and democracy, radius777 Jan 2022 #53
Screw that Polybius Jan 2022 #54
It's not about nation building like Iraq was, which was a war of choice. radius777 Feb 2022 #62
The Ukraine isn't in NATO iemanja Jan 2022 #55
Yep, this is apples and oranges. GoCubsGo Feb 2022 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Feb 2022 #61
America is a one party system when it comes to war. Magoo48 Jan 2022 #3
Russia is already at war with us. Irish_Dem Jan 2022 #5
We were the Ukraine when Trump was President. Texaswitchy Jan 2022 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #11
Calling it "the Ukraine" is Soviet speak -- stop that, please. W_HAMILTON Jan 2022 #30
Ok Texaswitchy Jan 2022 #37
Progressives trust Biden's leadership on Russia wellst0nev0ter Jan 2022 #13
Curious article, the author seems to be taking issue w/ progs taking stances that 80+% of DU agrees Celerity Jan 2022 #17
We now have a President with other tools .... albacore Jan 2022 #18
Yep. Texaswitchy Jan 2022 #20
Good points Hekate Jan 2022 #27
+1 crickets Jan 2022 #29
Anybody who wants to play the Ghandian role and lay in front of Russian tanks has my support. tirebiter Jan 2022 #19
I have cousins distant but still family in Czech Republic. Texaswitchy Jan 2022 #22
How are they doing now? Klaralven Jan 2022 #23
Ok. Texaswitchy Jan 2022 #25
All the best to them Hekate Jan 2022 #28
I'm certainly not on the Russian side... albacore Jan 2022 #33
There isn't going to be war with Russia iemanja Jan 2022 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #24
Media Issue. They're fake not-pushing for War with Russia. haele Jan 2022 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jan 2022 #45
"war" is a Strawman amaico Jan 2022 #44
This should be handled by the European Union and we need to Emile Jan 2022 #47
NOBODY IS ARGUING WE SHOULD BE ATTACKING RUSSIA. Tommy Carcetti Jan 2022 #50
Thank you! nt GoCubsGo Feb 2022 #60
I wasn't aware we were going to war with Russia... brooklynite Jan 2022 #51
It's a Strawman poll amaico Jan 2022 #52
Some folks posted elsewhere here on DU ... electric_blue68 Feb 2022 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author Roisin Ni Fiachra Feb 2022 #57
Putin is working to destabilize Ukraine from within first. Roisin Ni Fiachra Feb 2022 #58
+1. Putin is waging information warfare across the globe. radius777 Feb 2022 #63
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