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Wed Oct 24, 2012, 10:20 PM

89. Because that attitude is not progressive, no matter what the alleged pro-lifers claim:

Anyone holding up their right to intervene in the lives of people who they will never know, in situations they have no knowledge about whatsover, is not liberal. It's oppression.

The alleged pro-lifer is not the victim here, nor does it wash that such views support social safety nets. Because the people in that camp don't do any such thing, ever. as they don't believe in funding it. The willful ignorance of the diversity of situation that people find themselves in, is callous and judgemental.

Abortion is not the answer, RU487 which is the closest thing to a natural miscarriage, and birth control being freely available, is the answer. The same people who are now redefining rape, restricting or criminalizing abortion, are also restricting birth control. And here's a list of stories to read, and why it is not progressive, and never will be:

'We Have No Choice': One Woman's Ordeal with Texas' New Sonogram Law

Halfway through my pregnancy, I learned that my baby was ill. Profoundly so. My doctor gave us the news kindly, but still, my husband and I weren’t prepared. Just a few minutes earlier, we’d been smiling giddily at fellow expectant parents as we waited for the doctor to see us. In a sonography room smelling faintly of lemongrass, I’d just had gel rubbed on my stomach, just seen blots on the screen become tiny hands. For a brief, exultant moment, we’d seen our son—a brother for our 2-year-old girl...

Instead, before I’d even known I was pregnant, a molecular flaw had determined that our son’s brain, spine and legs wouldn’t develop correctly. If he were to make it to term—something our doctor couldn’t guarantee— he’d need a lifetime of medical care. From the moment he was born, my doctor told us, our son would suffer greatly...

http://www.texasobserver.org/cover-story/the-right-not-to-know

But the alleged pro-lifers don't to hear those details. They wash their hands of the grief of a mother and father, in the most personal and hurtful experience of their lives. The alleged pro-lifer wants to get involved in the lives of people they have never met, for their own egotistical satisfaction. What is being done to a lot of people is so cruei and dehumanizing, that it borders on vicarious sadism.

If she'd been in Pennsylvania, the govenor has this advice for those women who didn't want to hear anymore about it:

'Just close your eyes if you don't want to see it.'

It's bad company to keep, leading to things like this, and PA just passed a law to deny TANF to children whose mothers can't prove their life wasn't the product of rape. In other words, they don't support life after birth. The alleged pro-lifers don't.

The pleas of the alleged pro-lifers ring hollow. Here's more, that the alleged pro-lifers have caused to happen, and how they are shredding all empathy in our laws. These same people do not support rape crisis centers, battered women shelters, taking care of those who have been hurt by violence. But they wave their alleged pro-life flag to batter other people's lives that they never met:

Questioning ‘forced' sonograms

The new law proposed by state Sen. Dan Patrick pretends that women have abortions casually and without thought.

As a psychotherapist for 30 years, I am convinced that this paternalistic premise is wrong. The bill is punitively aimed at the woman who is so miserable and fearful in her pregnancy that she considers abortion. To impose a layer of patriarchal officialdom by requiring that these women review sonograms adds to the torment and lingering trauma of one of life's most difficult ordeals. What about the sexual partner? Shouldn't he be made to watch this video? Becoming pregnant when there is no support or resources is not done solo. Passing a law that pretends that it is amounts to anti-woman discrimination.


http://www.statesman.com/news/news/opinion/forced-sonograms-immigration-legislation/nRXYD/

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/21/its_not_just_forced_ultrasound_abortion_rights_under_assault/

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/826225/forced_ultrasounds%2C_%22informed_consent%2C%22_and_women%27s_health_in_texas%3A_the_sad_state_of_the_state/

http://truth-out.org/news/item/6745:statesanctioned-rape-forced-transvaginal-ultrasounds-in-virginia-texas-and-iowa

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/02/15/government-sanctioned-rape-in-state-virginia-and-texas

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