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NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
22. Its already happening
Wed Oct 24, 2012, 06:43 PM
Oct 2012

Why else would there be more drilling?

Not only is the world population ever increasing, some of the most populous nations are slingshotting their development with oil & coal (namely China and India). So we have more exponentially more people using far, far more energy every year. Do you think this unlocked energy in the US (which is a global commodity) will be enough to maintain infrastructure and grow the economy further, at greater than 2%, infinitely, irregardless of population and global demand?

Imagine a hole infinitely deep, filled with apples in a village. You don't have to even dig the hole. You just have to scoop the apples off the top and feed your family. Until you take out enough that you can no longer reach the cusp of the hole from the inside. Then you have to build a ladder and climb down. You can only bring out what you have room for in your pockets. Soon you make a bucket. You are old so you send your kids down. The ladder starts to break so you fix it; you start to make it taller, taller. One day this whole village will be fed by your grandchildren, who climb down that hole, filling up their ever-repaired buckets, and bringing it to the surface. And unbeknownst to everyone, there just might come a day when it takes more energy to get down that mile-deep hole, fill the bucket, and climb up, than all the energy that can be provided in a single bucket. And worse, that buckets going to get divided by every damn mouth you spawned while working on the hole. In fact, it doesn't matter if you send everyone in the village down constantly to get more an more apples...if they can't recoup their energy and the hole keeps getting deeper, the crisis gets worse

That is sort of our reality. Declining EROEI. What now?

what, Some conservatives are understanding cause and effect?????? hollysmom Oct 2012 #1
how can this truth be so obvious, even to someone like him RepublicansRZombies Oct 2012 #2
Moreover, WHAT have THEY done about it? Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2012 #7
It's like they suggest we all take up yoga. closeupready Oct 2012 #10
Or just indict them in the ICC! Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2012 #11
Du rec. Nt xchrom Oct 2012 #3
And yet so many have no clue what it's like. JNelson6563 Oct 2012 #4
Like many other situations, you can't really understand it until you've lived it. Arkansas Granny Oct 2012 #9
Mom, is that you? Art_from_Ark Oct 2012 #43
No, they sure don't. GoCubsGo Oct 2012 #14
never been without insurance for long hollysmom Oct 2012 #27
K&R n/t OneGrassRoot Oct 2012 #5
Cheap, plentiful energy is the real key. NoOneMan Oct 2012 #6
"The party is over" Why? Corporations and Bankers are doing better than ever. RepublicansRZombies Oct 2012 #13
Because there is finite energy NoOneMan Oct 2012 #15
oh, baloney. first, there never was a 'party' except for the rich. second, they're still partying. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #19
It means per capita wealth will decline NoOneMan Oct 2012 #20
not any time soon. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #21
Its already happening NoOneMan Oct 2012 #22
at the moment, known supplies of oil are increasing. which means that 'wealth' by your definition HiPointDem Oct 2012 #30
As in my example, the apple hole is infinitely deep NoOneMan Oct 2012 #33
it may be deep or shallow; my point is that it's not happening at present. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #34
I believe this illustrates exactly how bad our problem is NoOneMan Oct 2012 #36
all that typing to combat your own straw men. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #37
A straw man is a misrepresentation of an opponent's position NoOneMan Oct 2012 #41
"A straw man is a misrepresentation of an opponent's position" = yes. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #42
It really hit home for me a couple years ago when it dawned on me how many closed stores I walked... ieoeja Oct 2012 #8
It's the Main Street economy. This is why we are still not entirely sure that the President Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #12
The problem is the bailouts and stimulus saved corporations and banks, not Main Street. davidn3600 Oct 2012 #16
Exactly. And it's not like we didn't predict this four years ago. Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #17
The American People Buy Into The Bullshit That America Is "Broke" Yavin4 Oct 2012 #18
In pictorial form: coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #38
"The economy" is cruel..."no matter what our politicians have tried." woo me with science Oct 2012 #23
+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - Well put and definitely coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #39
"When I say I believe in a square deal I do not mean to give every man the best hand. trouble.smith Oct 2012 #44
kick RepublicansRZombies Oct 2012 #24
537 Votes in Florida and 5-4 in the Supreme Court gulliver Oct 2012 #25
K&R woo me with science Oct 2012 #26
The Cheney/Bush economic legacy. (nt) Kurovski Oct 2012 #28
Good stuff. Thanks for posting. nt ProudProgressiveNow Oct 2012 #29
I'm in that "40%".. SomethingFishy Oct 2012 #31
Sorry to read this. It is far too common a story. n/t Egalitarian Thug Oct 2012 #32
that sucks!! RepublicansRZombies Oct 2012 #35
Emphatic K&R! - n/t coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #40
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