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PTWB

(4,131 posts)
34. We're not going to pass gun control legislation unless we change our strategy.
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 05:21 PM
Dec 2021

We were all outraged by what happened at Sandy Hook. That we were unable to pass any meaningful gun control legislation in its wake should be evidence enough that we need to change our strategy.

I am a gun owner but I'm also a parent and a functioning member of (what used to be) a civil society. Many of our gun laws are antiquated and ineffective. There are laws from prohibition times that needlessly burden gun owners without adding to the general safety of society.

Revamping the antiquated, ineffective, and burdensome gun laws, while replacing them with effective and modern gun control, is the only real chance we have at passing legislation. Meaningful gun control reform needs to work with, not against, gun owners.

The last decade should be a playbook of what not to do. Don't threaten gun buy backs, all out bans, registries, or anything else that will 1. not pass and 2. reduce the chance of passing anything else. And fix the messaging. The right wingers screamed that Obama was going to take their guns but Trump was responsible for more gun control in 4 years than Obama was in 8. Shout it from the tree tops.

I suggest approaching the gun control issue from an entirely different vantage point. There are numerous things that the gun community wants and would be willing to negotiate to obtain. These things include national reciprocity for concealed carry licenses, a revamp of the antiquated NFA registration system and modernizing what types of weapons must be registered. Some of the requirements are completely arbitrary.

I feel strongly that were we to offer up some real compromises that improved quality of life for gun owners, we'd be able to pass universal background checks and some national standards for gun purchasing / concealed carry licensing, and we'd be compromising on things that would have zero impact to public safety. Seems like a win / win, unless the objective is to make gun owners enemies and not allies.

If we want gun control we're going to have to compromise. Simple as that.

It's been nine years. [View all] AndyS Dec 2021 OP
6 year olds shot to ribbons in their classroom. And our leaders didn't care enough to do anything. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #1
Obama and Biden tried really hard to do something iemanja Dec 2021 #4
Yes in all fairness they did. But we need more than a few leaders willing to do something. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #8
The Pain, and Frustration are Very Real, but please... electric_blue68 Dec 2021 #7
I know I can be given to hyperbole. But that is what the rest of the world thinks. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #9
Most Americans are not killing each other, but we have a gun happy electric_blue68 Dec 2021 #15
You underestimate the numbers of people with guns. llmart Dec 2021 #20
🤔 I wasn't as clear as I should have been... electric_blue68 Dec 2021 #32
Only 32% own a gun, according to the last poll I saw. Elessar Zappa Dec 2021 #71
Americans are like the Germans who did nothing about the death camps. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #22
I stand with you on your comments. llmart Dec 2021 #21
We do nothing, nothing at all. We can not defend our inaction. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #23
I share your outrage 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000....% spanone Dec 2021 #2
Russia is the glue that holds them together housecat Dec 2021 #5
Russia doesn't have to send an army to kill us. We are doing it for them. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #11
with only their money housecat Dec 2021 #41
And Putin didn't spend a great deal of money to bring down the US. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #47
I didn't know that. Can you say more about that please? mahina Dec 2021 #45
The NRA... mrsadm Dec 2021 #18
👍🏼 spanone Dec 2021 #46
Destroy keithhs28 Dec 2021 #3
Destroy the 2A before it destroys us. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #12
I was sitting in my classroom at the time, (my students were at Music). 11 Bravo Dec 2021 #6
I tend to drink a bit too much on Dec 14. AndyS Dec 2021 #10
Also, fuck Alex Jones and Infowars to the highest of hells. Initech Dec 2021 #13
Was he one of the ones talking about "crisis actors"? Geeebz! electric_blue68 Dec 2021 #16
Yes. ShazzieB Dec 2021 #31
Yeah. electric_blue68 Dec 2021 #36
And even when he's offline, he's a garbage POS. Initech Dec 2021 #39
Yup, I knew he was a garbage person the first time I heard about him. Initech Dec 2021 #37
Like Eisenhower made the Germans look at death camps, Americans should be made to look at the Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #14
This I agree with. maxsolomon Dec 2021 #30
A backlash would confirm the self-centered, irresponsible stance of the populace. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #43
It was that day when I realized Leith Dec 2021 #17
This is the day that I realized we are all to blame. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #27
Joe The Plumber: 'Your Dead Kids Don't Trump My Constitutional Rights' To Have Guns keithbvadu2 Dec 2021 #19
Their hobby is more important to them than America's children. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #24
This is when I came to terms with the fact that nothing would change. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2021 #25
It's not over and it doesn't have to be this way,. nt AndyS Dec 2021 #26
What does this say about our national character? Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #28
Those Germans who fought against the Nazi regime were willing to pay a big price. Kaleva Dec 2021 #35
There's nothing wrong with me. Or you. maxsolomon Dec 2021 #29
We let donors have more say than voters mahina Dec 2021 #33
The supreme court inthewind21 Dec 2021 #83
It's been the main argument every election for me and mine to turn out mahina Dec 2021 #88
We're not going to pass gun control legislation unless we change our strategy. PTWB Dec 2021 #34
FUCK GUN OWNERS! AndyS Dec 2021 #38
I just told you compromises that would work. PTWB Dec 2021 #40
FUCK GUN OWNERS! AndyS Dec 2021 #42
Brother, you really don't know what you're talking about. PTWB Dec 2021 #44
I've read that post a dozen times. AndyS Dec 2021 #48
Nonsense. PTWB Dec 2021 #49
Yes, and what we are doing is sucking up to gunners. Time to try AndyS Dec 2021 #50
Good luck. PTWB Dec 2021 #51
Thanks again for being the lone gunner to show up in a Sandy Hook AndyS Dec 2021 #52
Thanks for being the guy that would rather rage against gun owners... PTWB Dec 2021 #53
You haven't advocated for control iemanja Dec 2021 #59
Nonsense. PTWB Dec 2021 #61
Your post labeled "I only scratched the surface" iemanja Dec 2021 #63
If this doesn't work, I don't think anything will. PTWB Dec 2021 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author inthewind21 Dec 2021 #84
Its really hard to understand why you've been failing. SYFROYH Dec 2021 #66
Congratulations on being the second gunner in a Sandy Hook thread. AndyS Dec 2021 #67
You do you, boo. SYFROYH Dec 2021 #68
Dude. Chill. You're not helping anyone when you're like this, yourself included. Dial H For Hero Dec 2021 #69
You called voluntary gun buy backs a threat iemanja Dec 2021 #57
There are voluntary buybacks and mandatory buybacks. SYFROYH Dec 2021 #70
The more accurate term for "mandatory buyback" being "confiscation", mind you. Dial H For Hero Dec 2021 #72
No Hero, the more accurate term for mandatory buyback is AndyS Dec 2021 #74
Actually, both terms would apply. Dial H For Hero Dec 2021 #76
Eminent domain typically requires the ceased property to be used by government (eta: public use) SYFROYH Dec 2021 #77
To quote so many gunners, "Nonsense". AndyS Dec 2021 #78
Because you cited the US Constitution, I thought you might have remembered what you read. SYFROYH Dec 2021 #81
*sigh* This is so fucking tedious. AndyS Dec 2021 #82
Except its not a Sandy Hook Massacre thread -- its a thread about legislation since Sandy Hook. SYFROYH Dec 2021 #85
You ought to be careful calling others callus. PTWB Dec 2021 #86
It is difficult to have a rational discussion on this issue when one side consistently attacks Dial H For Hero Dec 2021 #89
I hadn't considered that, good point. Dial H For Hero Dec 2021 #80
That's how I see it, too. SYFROYH Dec 2021 #75
I don't see that your suggested starting points do anything but make life easier for Gunners. maxsolomon Dec 2021 #54
I only scratched the surface. PTWB Dec 2021 #55
OK, well that all sounds well and good. maxsolomon Dec 2021 #56
If it doesn't work, nothing will. PTWB Dec 2021 #62
Well said nt iemanja Dec 2021 #58
I think this is a particular problem far too many people deny exists. Torchlight Dec 2021 #60
Every year, I think what those kids could be doing today IzzaNuDay Dec 2021 #65
If Sandy Hook wasn't Emile Dec 2021 #73
Thank you for making your first post here on DU in this thread! Welcome to DU, Emile. CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2021 #79
Exactly. PTWB Dec 2021 #90
My right wing brother Bettie Dec 2021 #87
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