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Zeitghost

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74. You are under the impression
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 02:20 AM
Nov 2021

That he had to continue retreating. That is simply not true under WI law. He was under no legal obligation to allow Rosenbaum to strike or grab him before using force to protect himself.

If you are fleeing someone chasing you, who has threatened to kill you, you do not have to wait to be assaulted or injured, you must only be in reasonable fear of harm. This is the law in every state in the US.

As the Judge stated after he interrupted the prosecutor, Bluethroughu Nov 2021 #1
and if you were afraid of the crowd itself Skittles Nov 2021 #3
These people don't just think they're innocent; they think they're heroes unblock Nov 2021 #2
Sage words my friend (nt) Hugh_Lebowski Nov 2021 #4
Reasonable fear of death or bodily injury Zeitghost Nov 2021 #5
Kyle R. is a person who claimed "fear" of possible harm to himself oasis Nov 2021 #9
So he asked for it? Zeitghost Nov 2021 #11
"assaulting him"?????. oasis Nov 2021 #12
After KR assaulted them by pointing his rifle at them? and WTF about rape man !? Rape victims don't uponit7771 Nov 2021 #31
If that happened Zeitghost Nov 2021 #36
KR didn't retreat shooting at unarmed people running away. That's not "retreating" by the law the uponit7771 Nov 2021 #37
Where are you getting your story from? Zeitghost Nov 2021 #38
Yes he did turn around **REPOINTED** his weapon at Rosenbaum while he was running away ! We uponit7771 Nov 2021 #42
Yes Zeitghost Nov 2021 #44
Yes, AFTER KR pointed his weapon at him!! OMFG, why are people leaving that fact out of the picture uponit7771 Nov 2021 #46
Because... Zeitghost Nov 2021 #54
He did NOT retreat, he turned around firing at those chasing him uponit7771 Nov 2021 #61
Yes Zeitghost Nov 2021 #66
"about to be caught" is where the prosecutor failed ... It's not where the uponit7771 Nov 2021 #69
Not true at all Zeitghost Nov 2021 #70
Firing a weapon while running away is not retreating, to say that's retreating would give uponit7771 Nov 2021 #71
You are under the impression Zeitghost Nov 2021 #74
Duty to retreat is established law in Wisconsin, KR had to after he brandished his weapon and was uponit7771 Nov 2021 #78
Your opinion Zeitghost Nov 2021 #79
Your Flawed Argument, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2021 #40
It is entirely possible Zeitghost Nov 2021 #45
And At That Point, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2021 #47
The position taken Zeitghost Nov 2021 #55
I Understand What the Law Is, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2021 #56
And like those people Zeitghost Nov 2021 #59
Based On Comprehension Of The World Around Me, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2021 #60
This is a political forum for Democrats and liberals, radius777 Nov 2021 #82
Last time I checked Zeitghost Nov 2021 #83
Liberals value justice, and radius777 Nov 2021 #88
Agree completely, the victims should've offed him in self defense, radius777 Nov 2021 #76
Reinoehl Zeitghost Nov 2021 #80
RW talking points. We don't know the facts (and full context) of the case radius777 Nov 2021 #81
A predictable end Zeitghost Nov 2021 #84
That's not what witnesses or the NYT report says. radius777 Nov 2021 #86
Well, according to the prosecution "everybody takes a beating sometimes." Steelrolled Nov 2021 #10
I love how some people like to imagine the 2nd and 3rd shootings happened first Tommy Carcetti Nov 2021 #13
RIGHT ! Even the M$M wants leave out the fact that KR pointed his weapon first and then the crowd uponit7771 Nov 2021 #32
What they see in the mirror keithbvadu2 Nov 2021 #6
It's been that way for a very long time. Going back to English Common Law I believe. Kaleva Nov 2021 #7
Traditionally, Elessar Zappa Nov 2021 #15
Yep. The old reasonable fear of imminent death Solomon Nov 2021 #17
Any skater will tell you their board is weapon when needed Devil Child Nov 2021 #20
Reasonable fear of death... Zeitghost Nov 2021 #27
Let's see. If i'm in a fight, would i want a skateboard Solomon Nov 2021 #29
I'm not sure what point you're making Zeitghost Nov 2021 #30
Zeitghost, you've done a pretty good job of explaining the situation. Lucid Dreamer Nov 2021 #73
The 'Castle Doctrine' morphed into 'Stand Your Ground' pfitz59 Nov 2021 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2021 #14
Its not quite that simple Amishman Nov 2021 #16
That's an interesting take. Kablooie Nov 2021 #21
and it did, all three guilty as predicted Amishman Nov 2021 #25
Exactly. Dr. Strange Nov 2021 #26
Arbery didn't assault his killers first by pointing a weapon at them uponit7771 Nov 2021 #33
You are confusing brandishing with assault EX500rider Nov 2021 #67
Both crimes and threatening uponit7771 Nov 2021 #68
It all started with Clint Eastwood: "Go ahead. Make my day". Solomon Nov 2021 #18
The fundamentals of self defense law Zeitghost Nov 2021 #39
You mean Reagan the Governor. Cause Dirty Harry is from 1971. cinematicdiversions Nov 2021 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author Mad_Machine76 Nov 2021 #19
WI has no Stand Your Ground Law Zeitghost Nov 2021 #41
No, this is what the NRA has wrought on society. Initech Nov 2021 #22
Two of the three victims literally had their hand on the barrel of the rifle... WarGamer Nov 2021 #23
He pointed his weapon at them first, I love how so many people are leaving that out of narrative!!! uponit7771 Nov 2021 #34
Apparently the Jury, after reviewing the evidence... didn't find that to be accurate or relevant. WarGamer Nov 2021 #48
And It's A Shame That Blow Didn't Kill The Punk, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2021 #43
The irony is... WarGamer Nov 2021 #49
I Agree, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2021 #51
I like to think of my home state of California WarGamer Nov 2021 #52
Hear Hear, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2021 #53
You can open carry here in CA Zeitghost Nov 2021 #58
Letter of the Law?..IN THE CONSTITUTION...WHAT IS THAT?..WHERE DID IT COME FROM? Stuart G Nov 2021 #63
Most states do not require a duty to retreat hardluck Nov 2021 #72
It's been that way for quite awhile. English Common Law days. Kaleva Nov 2021 #24
This kid would have carried a pistol if he was truly just afraid fescuerescue Nov 2021 #28
But that'd be illegal... WarGamer Nov 2021 #50
Why? It was legal to carry a machine gun. fescuerescue Nov 2021 #77
No Zeitghost Nov 2021 #85
I thought that KH had an AR15 fescuerescue Nov 2021 #89
Correct. If you mean KR. yagotme Nov 2021 #90
K&R, Zimmerman and KR assaulted their victims FIRST !!! uponit7771 Nov 2021 #35
America's been breeding cowards for quite some time now. Iggo Nov 2021 #57
Maybe...but we also breed the ..."GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY"..do you know who Jonas Salk is? I do. Stuart G Nov 2021 #65
Always up to the jury....Always..!!!!!...Bill of Rights!! Entitled to .."Trial by Jury" Stuart G Nov 2021 #62
Does it say somewhere that the Constitution...Is the "Supreme Law of the Land" Stuart G Nov 2021 #64
gun humping cowards are always skeered Skittles Nov 2021 #87
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