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20. Not that simple at all unfortunately, as I have warned for ages.
Tue Nov 16, 2021, 10:49 AM
Nov 2021

The 13 renegade (13 total stretched out over months, it is hard to gauge what all 13 will do) House centrists and conservadem Blue Dog/Problem Solver types (plus Manchin and Sinema in the Senate) are demanding that the CBO scoring (which is due to be published this Friday, November 19th) match the Biden claim that the BBB pays for itself.

Preliminary individual releases, plus a claim on MoJo by the pretty reliably sussed-in Axios would tend to say that it will not match, that it will add to the debt.

Gottheimer (the Problem Solver ringleader) said this a week ago:

Gottheimer Won’t Commit To Backing BBB If CBO Score Doesn’t Match WH Analysis


sooooo, if the CBO comes back with bad numbers, expect the shit to hit the fan again (and expect the BBB to get gutted even more)

The rank hypocrisy of the 15 conservadems is that almost half of the new spend (of the $550 billion, $256 billion is unpaid for) in their beloved BIF is NOT paid for.

Plus, so far, they have, between the 2 versions (House and Senate), ripped out out over $2 trillion in funding mechanisms and/or given giant tax breaks back (mostly to the wealthiest Americans and the giant corporations)

That $2 trillion in ripped out funding and tax breaks for the rich and for the powerful firms is more than the entire present topline number ($1.75 trillion) for the whole BBB. You know, the one they now have this incredible concern for 'fiscal responsibly' about.

And people wonder why many in Congress do not trust Manchin, Sinema, and the Problem Solver/Blue Dogs.

IF that CBO shows a number (for added debt) over what the BIF added, there is likely going to be an all-out brawl. Regardless of the meaningless six protest votes that did nothing to stop the BIF, the progressives have compromised, and compromised for ages. 90 of the 96 voted to pass BIF, and if zero Rethugs have voted yes, 3 of those prog No votes (maybe all 6) would have flipped to Yes in order to pass it.

The progs have compromised (dollar wise) 30.8 times MORE than Manchin and Sinema have. They have come down $7.7 trillion between the two bills, whilst Manchinema have (and this is only as of now, it could easily be nothing or even another slashing) moved up only $250 billion (and only on the BBB, they gutted the BIF by almost 80% new spend wise).

I can see, if the CBO numbers are bad, Manchin further gutting the BBB, down to $1.25 trillion or even his original 'claim' of $1 trillion, and saying 'That is it, it is $1.25 (or even $1) trillion, take it or leave it, AND keep pushing it AND pushing ME, and I scuttle the whole thing.'

Let's hope the CBO says the BBB is all paid for.

IF it does, then any other objections, and especially ANY further gutting and/or blockage from the conservadems TRULY confirm, to a level no one can argue, that they ALWAYS were wreckers and ruiners of the Biden Agenda, all gaslighting attempts to deny it aside.

All Recs and No Kicks Make Jack a Dull Boy American Interregnum Nov 2021 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #5
Point chin! dchill Nov 2021 #15
Thanks for making sure the OP got a kick.We cover a lot of time zones at DU, & it went up before 5am Hekate Nov 2021 #22
Too bad manchin and sinema aren't in the house mucifer Nov 2021 #2
Manchin and Sinema are not blocking a vote in the House, and we should be reminded.... George II Nov 2021 #4
One more time, and it's really simple, FoxNewsSucks Nov 2021 #11
Bills should be voted on individually. The House did what it SHOULD have done oldsoftie Nov 2021 #30
Wrong. FoxNewsSucks Nov 2021 #31
Oh, they will pass the bill...with the right sugar... TiberiusB Nov 2021 #32
I'm looking towards the '22 elections. And it isnt looking good. oldsoftie Nov 2021 #34
Uh, no TiberiusB Nov 2021 #33
Bad choice of words. "EVERYTHING" should never be used when referring to ANY bill! oldsoftie Nov 2021 #35
Because they are the ones obstructing progress. Gore1FL Nov 2021 #13
because reality TiberiusB Nov 2021 #16
I heard it was 50 GOP Senators blocking BBB. DiamondShark Nov 2021 #25
Why is this a problem? gab13by13 Nov 2021 #3
Not that simple at all unfortunately, as I have warned for ages. Celerity Nov 2021 #20
Exactly TiberiusB Nov 2021 #27
Thank you Madam Speaker mcar Nov 2021 #6
Yes! Go get 'em, Nancy! lagomorph777 Nov 2021 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #8
IOW: Let's stop pissing around. triron Nov 2021 #9
Not sure if the matters since Manchin/Sinema will hold it up in senate. Nt helpisontheway Nov 2021 #10
It matters, because it needs to be made crystal-clear FoxNewsSucks Nov 2021 #12
No pumpkin pie for you! And you and you and you... Ilsa Nov 2021 #14
This is peer pressure at its finest FakeNoose Nov 2021 #17
What the actual fuck, I thought it was already fucking signed. BannonsLiver Nov 2021 #18
That was the bipartisan infrastructure bill. Elessar Zappa Nov 2021 #19
Nancy Pelosi rocks Hekate Nov 2021 #21
Do your work or no dinner. Love it. Evolve Dammit Nov 2021 #23
There is a reason Nancy Pelosi is our most successful House leader ever. BlueIdaho Nov 2021 #24
A Promised Land lakercub Nov 2021 #26
Tough RayStar Nov 2021 #28
K&R Blue Owl Nov 2021 #29
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