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60. Who says his demands will be met?

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 05:44 PM

Oct 2021

As Sanders said yesterday, he could demand that the bill include Medicare for all, but it wouldn’t make into the final bill, even if he threatened to block the bill.

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"Manchin demands progressives pick only 1 of 3 family policy priorities" [View all] bluewater Oct 2021 OP

It depends on the level of sycophancy of the individual. CentralMass Oct 2021 #1

One person is calling fully funding all programs for fewer years an "accounting gimmick" bluewater Oct 2021 #6

The Bottom line is that Manchin, who along with Sinema, are the only two out of CentralMass Oct 2021 #17

+1 n/t area51 Oct 2021 #77

No surprise there FBaggins Oct 2021 #2

What "accounting gimmick"? bluewater Oct 2021 #4

don't waste your time qazplm135 Oct 2021 #18

ikr bluewater Oct 2021 #19

What else would you call it? FBaggins Oct 2021 #20

Um, its called fully funding all the programs for fewer years. Pretty clear, no? bluewater Oct 2021 #31

Such an odd notion of "done" FBaggins Oct 2021 #38

And the $1.5 trillion BIF is over five years wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #43

The Definition of Sophistry is... bluewater Oct 2021 #46

Now do "done" FBaggins Oct 2021 #52

I like arguing in circles wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #71

lol bluewater Oct 2021 #79

Not at all FBaggins Oct 2021 #51

"Because infrastructure maintains itself and is self-sustaining" wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #70

BS he has so many poor people in his state who need help! redstatebluegirl Oct 2021 #3

West Virginian's need to bombard his offices, with... Omnipresent Oct 2021 #23

Of course it isn't a popular position. Saying he is in opposition to progressives rather than he Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #5

I think he's distracting WV conservatives away from their own support Hortensis Oct 2021 #24

Manchin this, Senator C_U_L8R Oct 2021 #7

Stop listening to what Manchin says, only watch what he actually does Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #8

Manchin has repeatedly said he does not want to expand the social safety net. bluewater Oct 2021 #10

No stalemates or impasse reported yet, just a frustration with lack of specifics. Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #49

So you think Manchin is not sincere, but just doing kabuki theater for his donors? Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #13

I think Manchin qazplm135 Oct 2021 #16

But we don't know who they are really working for. Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #21

I assume qazplm135 Oct 2021 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #32

I am beyond tired of it too. Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #33

What does that mean at this point ? What he has done is openly state he will not vote for this CentralMass Oct 2021 #30

The actual sausage making (of which these statements are not a part of) happens in private Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #45

What will be left of the bill after his demands are met ? CentralMass Oct 2021 #59

Who says his demands will be met? Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #60

The bill has already been watered down at least once due to Sinema and Manchin's CentralMass Oct 2021 #63

The GOP would never let a rogue rep do this leftstreet Oct 2021 #9

Well, he's not a Congressional Rep maxsolomon Oct 2021 #11

Yes he's a Senator leftstreet Oct 2021 #14

I guess. maxsolomon Oct 2021 #35

Leftstreet, senators are FAR MORE POWERFUL than congressmen Hortensis Oct 2021 #26

Maybe Schumer could get training from McConnell leftstreet Oct 2021 #54

McConnell's senators are all strong conservatives, most authoritarians, Hortensis Oct 2021 #62

You don't think the Repubs would give him a chairmanship or two if he flipped parties? Calista241 Oct 2021 #29

It's also a formulation that allows him to keep his "1.x vs 3.x trillion" objection dynamic alive. FreepFryer Oct 2021 #12

I especially love his "entitlement society" comment. Is it not entitlement to demand Carlitos Brigante Oct 2021 #15

The Fossil Fuel Industry has spoken. jalan48 Oct 2021 #22

like sinema he is unwilling to choose what he wants, dump responsibility on others nt msongs Oct 2021 #25

You pick it manchin you tell us what we're not allowed to have Fullduplexxx Oct 2021 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #34

Shameful. BeckyDem Oct 2021 #36

I want to see a public debate featuring Sanders, Klobuchar, Manchin, and Sinema Silent3 Oct 2021 #37

The thing is, this can go on forever... regnaD kciN Oct 2021 #39

Who the Freak does he think he is to dictate the Biden agenda. PA_jen Oct 2021 #40

LMAO aocommunalpunch Oct 2021 #41

Do they care that, today, the United States government ranks DEAD LAST in child care spending? BeckyDem Oct 2021 #42

+1000 bluewater Oct 2021 #50

Melanoma Trump's Slovenia spends 23.3 TIMES more per child than the US on early childcare Celerity Oct 2021 #53

omg. This situation has become so depressing. ugh BeckyDem Oct 2021 #57

I'd keep the high-quality child care and extend it to above 5 years of age Klaralven Oct 2021 #44

Another thread where people would rather Manchin decide where to spend $ than Sanders mathematic Oct 2021 #47

Joe Biden and 48 Senator disagree vs Manchin CentralMass Oct 2021 #64

And 52 senators disagree with Sanders FBaggins Oct 2021 #65

Again Sanders did not author this infrastructure bill and the President and 48 Senators CentralMass Oct 2021 #68

Why does that matter? FBaggins Oct 2021 #72

I doubt that there's anyone her who would "rather let Manchin decide" FBaggins Oct 2021 #66

I'm damn tired of him. spanone Oct 2021 #48

Manchin beats up strawman, gets winded. (nt) apnu Oct 2021 #55

Manchin's version of Sophie's Choice? Silent3 Oct 2021 #56

Manchin demands Biden, Democrats make 'Sophie's Choice' among plans for helping working families Celerity Oct 2021 #58

Can I tell him to go to hell now? Hekate Oct 2021 #61

Sure! FBaggins Oct 2021 #67

That's still not specific enough Generic Brad Oct 2021 #69

why is he asking fellow Democrats instead of his constituants which programs they don't want? Takket Oct 2021 #73

Twitter replies: Rhiannon12866 Oct 2021 #74

We should put billboards all over his state Mr.Bill Oct 2021 #76

Good point, most people don't follow the news that closely... Rhiannon12866 Oct 2021 #78

Manchin only cares about 1/3 of the family programs. Beyond Frustrating. sarcasmo Oct 2021 #75

Manchin demands that Dems make Sophie's Choice on Biden't plan... Wounded Bear Oct 2021 #80