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Klaralven

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44. I'd keep the high-quality child care and extend it to above 5 years of age

Thu Oct 7, 2021, 04:43 PM

Oct 2021

Child care is a problem for working families that we should actually try to solve, not just band aid it for the youngest kids.

Universal pre-school probably doesn't deliver much if you have good child care. Studies have shown that kids not going to pre-school rapidly catch up in first and second grade.

The 12-week family leave affects a small number of people for a short time. Not clear it solves anything. Lots of workers have some family leave now.

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"Manchin demands progressives pick only 1 of 3 family policy priorities" [View all] bluewater Oct 2021 OP

It depends on the level of sycophancy of the individual. CentralMass Oct 2021 #1

One person is calling fully funding all programs for fewer years an "accounting gimmick" bluewater Oct 2021 #6

The Bottom line is that Manchin, who along with Sinema, are the only two out of CentralMass Oct 2021 #17

+1 n/t area51 Oct 2021 #77

No surprise there FBaggins Oct 2021 #2

What "accounting gimmick"? bluewater Oct 2021 #4

don't waste your time qazplm135 Oct 2021 #18

ikr bluewater Oct 2021 #19

What else would you call it? FBaggins Oct 2021 #20

Um, its called fully funding all the programs for fewer years. Pretty clear, no? bluewater Oct 2021 #31

Such an odd notion of "done" FBaggins Oct 2021 #38

And the $1.5 trillion BIF is over five years wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #43

The Definition of Sophistry is... bluewater Oct 2021 #46

Now do "done" FBaggins Oct 2021 #52

I like arguing in circles wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #71

lol bluewater Oct 2021 #79

Not at all FBaggins Oct 2021 #51

"Because infrastructure maintains itself and is self-sustaining" wellst0nev0ter Oct 2021 #70

BS he has so many poor people in his state who need help! redstatebluegirl Oct 2021 #3

West Virginian's need to bombard his offices, with... Omnipresent Oct 2021 #23

Of course it isn't a popular position. Saying he is in opposition to progressives rather than he Scrivener7 Oct 2021 #5

I think he's distracting WV conservatives away from their own support Hortensis Oct 2021 #24

Manchin this, Senator C_U_L8R Oct 2021 #7

Stop listening to what Manchin says, only watch what he actually does Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #8

Manchin has repeatedly said he does not want to expand the social safety net. bluewater Oct 2021 #10

No stalemates or impasse reported yet, just a frustration with lack of specifics. Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #49

So you think Manchin is not sincere, but just doing kabuki theater for his donors? Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #13

I think Manchin qazplm135 Oct 2021 #16

But we don't know who they are really working for. Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #21

I assume qazplm135 Oct 2021 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #32

I am beyond tired of it too. Irish_Dem Oct 2021 #33

What does that mean at this point ? What he has done is openly state he will not vote for this CentralMass Oct 2021 #30

The actual sausage making (of which these statements are not a part of) happens in private Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #45

What will be left of the bill after his demands are met ? CentralMass Oct 2021 #59

Who says his demands will be met? Fiendish Thingy Oct 2021 #60

The bill has already been watered down at least once due to Sinema and Manchin's CentralMass Oct 2021 #63

The GOP would never let a rogue rep do this leftstreet Oct 2021 #9

Well, he's not a Congressional Rep maxsolomon Oct 2021 #11

Yes he's a Senator leftstreet Oct 2021 #14

I guess. maxsolomon Oct 2021 #35

Leftstreet, senators are FAR MORE POWERFUL than congressmen Hortensis Oct 2021 #26

Maybe Schumer could get training from McConnell leftstreet Oct 2021 #54

McConnell's senators are all strong conservatives, most authoritarians, Hortensis Oct 2021 #62

You don't think the Repubs would give him a chairmanship or two if he flipped parties? Calista241 Oct 2021 #29

It's also a formulation that allows him to keep his "1.x vs 3.x trillion" objection dynamic alive. FreepFryer Oct 2021 #12

I especially love his "entitlement society" comment. Is it not entitlement to demand Carlitos Brigante Oct 2021 #15

The Fossil Fuel Industry has spoken. jalan48 Oct 2021 #22

like sinema he is unwilling to choose what he wants, dump responsibility on others nt msongs Oct 2021 #25

You pick it manchin you tell us what we're not allowed to have Fullduplexxx Oct 2021 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Oct 2021 #34

Shameful. BeckyDem Oct 2021 #36

I want to see a public debate featuring Sanders, Klobuchar, Manchin, and Sinema Silent3 Oct 2021 #37

The thing is, this can go on forever... regnaD kciN Oct 2021 #39

Who the Freak does he think he is to dictate the Biden agenda. PA_jen Oct 2021 #40

LMAO aocommunalpunch Oct 2021 #41

Do they care that, today, the United States government ranks DEAD LAST in child care spending? BeckyDem Oct 2021 #42

+1000 bluewater Oct 2021 #50

Melanoma Trump's Slovenia spends 23.3 TIMES more per child than the US on early childcare Celerity Oct 2021 #53

omg. This situation has become so depressing. ugh BeckyDem Oct 2021 #57

I'd keep the high-quality child care and extend it to above 5 years of age Klaralven Oct 2021 #44

Another thread where people would rather Manchin decide where to spend $ than Sanders mathematic Oct 2021 #47

Joe Biden and 48 Senator disagree vs Manchin CentralMass Oct 2021 #64

And 52 senators disagree with Sanders FBaggins Oct 2021 #65

Again Sanders did not author this infrastructure bill and the President and 48 Senators CentralMass Oct 2021 #68

Why does that matter? FBaggins Oct 2021 #72

I doubt that there's anyone her who would "rather let Manchin decide" FBaggins Oct 2021 #66

I'm damn tired of him. spanone Oct 2021 #48

Manchin beats up strawman, gets winded. (nt) apnu Oct 2021 #55

Manchin's version of Sophie's Choice? Silent3 Oct 2021 #56

Manchin demands Biden, Democrats make 'Sophie's Choice' among plans for helping working families Celerity Oct 2021 #58

Can I tell him to go to hell now? Hekate Oct 2021 #61

Sure! FBaggins Oct 2021 #67

That's still not specific enough Generic Brad Oct 2021 #69

why is he asking fellow Democrats instead of his constituants which programs they don't want? Takket Oct 2021 #73

Twitter replies: Rhiannon12866 Oct 2021 #74

We should put billboards all over his state Mr.Bill Oct 2021 #76

Good point, most people don't follow the news that closely... Rhiannon12866 Oct 2021 #78

Manchin only cares about 1/3 of the family programs. Beyond Frustrating. sarcasmo Oct 2021 #75

Manchin demands that Dems make Sophie's Choice on Biden't plan... Wounded Bear Oct 2021 #80