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thucythucy

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44. The sad fact is that in some places we are already "prioritizing" care.
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 10:07 AM
Sep 2021

Washington State hospitals are overflowing because of anti-vaxxers being shipped in from Idaho. This means that people in need of emergency care or an ICU bed are having to scramble to find available units. Some localities are running short of oxygen, again because of unvaxx'ed Covid patients, which means those patients are being prioritized over those who need oxygen but weren't first in line. And "elective" procedures--such as reconstructive surgeries after accidents--are being delayed because of the shortage of beds. "Elective" seems to be taken by some as meaning "unnecessary" or even "frivolous," but someone having to delay their hip replacement or knee surgery is being asked to suffer additional pain for weeks or months because the care of Covid patients is now taking priority over their own.

Just this week a DU'er recounted their recent experience of being shunted from one locality to another because there wasn't a local ER available to treat their heart attack. In that case unvaccinated Covid patients were being given priority over someone suffering a life threatening emergency, someone who thankfully didn't die but instead went through the additional trauma of fearing they might die in the ambulance while trying to find an available ER. I know someone whose mother suffered a stroke who had the same experience. In cases like that minutes can mean the difference between life or death, or a full recovery versus life long disability. Why should the care of non-vaccinated Covid patients have priority over theirs?

And then there are people (such as myself) who have had more routine medical treatments delayed because the health care system is overwhelmed treating with this pandemic. And others, including people I know, who are in chemotherapy and have to deal not only with the stress of fighting a potentially lethal disease, but now the added stress of knowing that any interaction with the public, and any visit to the hospital, puts them at greatly heightened risk.

So in some localities at least the decision to "prioritize" some patients over others has already been made, with non vaccinated Covid patients being the ones given the highest priority.

The result, as has been pointed out, is considerable anger and frustration among those of us who have taken responsibility during this crisis, and are suffering or are seeing loved ones suffer on account of those who don't.

I wonder if you have any thoughts on a solution to all this, and what "positive benefits" you see coming out of "their negative behavioral effects on society?" Because all I've seen is useless death, useless suffering, and rather terrible long term effects on people and society, all of which could have been prevented had some of us not been such flaming asses.

Not diabetics, not alcoholics. So noted. But can I still compare them to orcs? Bucky Sep 2021 #1
Be my guest. GaYellowDawg Sep 2021 #2
They are ZOMBIES! They are Toxic. They can spread their disease. They want to eat your brain. Ford_Prefect Sep 2021 #3
I think it must be the kidneys or liver Piasladic Sep 2021 #4
They're more like bioterror suicide bombers. Crunchy Frog Sep 2021 #5
In wartime, even captured enemy soldiers wnylib Sep 2021 #10
Did I say suicide bombers shouldn't get treatment? Crunchy Frog Sep 2021 #12
Why the concern with priority? wnylib Sep 2021 #29
People are angry and saying things to let off steam. Crunchy Frog Sep 2021 #31
What makes you think that I don't wnylib Sep 2021 #36
The sad fact is that in some places we are already "prioritizing" care. thucythucy Sep 2021 #44
Not if suicide bombers are clogging up the hospitals kcr Sep 2021 #52
How do diabetics allegedly compare to anti-vaxxers???? marble falls Sep 2021 #6
Antivaxxers will say that if antivaxxers shouldn't be treated for Covid at hospitals pnwmom Sep 2021 #14
No logic there. marble falls Sep 2021 #16
i've never heard that before. what morons if they are comparing the two. nt orleans Sep 2021 #24
Some posters on DU are drawing false equivalencies between unvaxxed patients and diabetic patients. Crunchy Frog Sep 2021 #18
I have not seen this. That makes no sense. Example please Celerity Sep 2021 #19
Post #17 in the thread linked below. Crunchy Frog Sep 2021 #22
Thanks. Yes, a poor post. Glad this is a rare thing. Cheers. nt Celerity Sep 2021 #25
I haven't seen it and I sincerely hope that nobody but DU jurors got to see it TexasTowelie Sep 2021 #26
See the post referred here. It hasn't been hidden. Crunchy Frog Sep 2021 #32
Thank you. TexasTowelie Sep 2021 #38
Oh, dear lord. PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2021 #7
I....honestly have never seen a vax / diabetic comparison Skittles Sep 2021 #8
Neither have I canetoad Sep 2021 #11
Diabetics are more vulnerable to wnylib Sep 2021 #13
Omg cate94 Sep 2021 #30
Health and medical issues are common wnylib Sep 2021 #34
thismakesnosense Shellback Squid Sep 2021 #42
I have. They say people with diabetes and certain other conditions are more likely pnwmom Sep 2021 #15
non seq Nasruddin Sep 2021 #21
It's troll logic kcr Sep 2021 #51
Nor have I, certianly not in the way a few on this thread are claiming (with no evidence). Celerity Sep 2021 #20
Evidence was posted. nt Crunchy Frog Sep 2021 #23
I have seen it a number of times on Facebook. Sorry I can't give you a link pnwmom Sep 2021 #27
Another poster gave me a link. Cheers. Celerity Sep 2021 #28
I have not seen this comparison. cate94 Sep 2021 #9
See my #13. wnylib Sep 2021 #17
Sick people need treatment. Aussie105 Sep 2021 #33
I am so sorry, that makes no sense. Rhiannon12866 Sep 2021 #35
Type 1 autoimmune? usaf-vet Sep 2021 #37
Interesting Sherman A1 Sep 2021 #39
It's apparently in response to one poster in another thread Sympthsical Sep 2021 #50
This is all about a single post in another thread? You are making a whole new thread about it Scrivener7 Sep 2021 #40
+1 Scrivener7 Devil Child Sep 2021 #41
The general question is "should people who engage in self destructive behaviors receive treatment"? Klaralven Sep 2021 #43
The fact that this is a pandemic thucythucy Sep 2021 #46
The moral principle of triage is to allocate medical resources to achieve the best survival rate Klaralven Sep 2021 #49
If allocating medical resources to achieve the best survival rate thucythucy Sep 2021 #53
Jim Fixx the running and fitness guru died of a heart attack at 52 Arazi Sep 2021 #55
Most laws interfering with the use of tobacco, alcohol and drugs intend to prevent unhealthy choices Klaralven Sep 2021 #56
I was not aware this community had sunk so low. Thanks for speaking out... Hekate Sep 2021 #45
Sure it's wrong and very offensive when it occurs, but keep perspective. Hortensis Sep 2021 #47
Thank you for this post. thucythucy Sep 2021 #48
The two conditions are in not way similar LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #54
Now that some states are to the point of rationing healthcare catrose Sep 2021 #57
Happy to rec. Treefrog Sep 2021 #58
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