Unfortunately I guess, or inevitably?, a lot of Afghanis (Reply #38)

In the discussion thread: Am I The Only One The Wants To Make Sure The Taliban Does Not Take Over Afghanistan Again? [View all]

Response to DanieRains (Original post)

Mon Aug 9, 2021, 07:27 AM

Hortensis (51,656 posts)

38. Unfortunately I guess, or inevitably?, a lot of Afghanis

prefer the Afghani Taliban to "the entire civilized world" coming in and imposing western culture on them and quashing their own, including their religion.

You know, a lot of what's going on on our own right includes beliefs that they have a right and duty to impose what they believe on the entire nation. And to do what is required to force it on those who resist. They're not all just driven by partisan malice, many really do care about right and wrong and want to fix what's wrong.

Your post reminds me of the righteous right, of the righteous Taliban, and of my own righteous beliefs in equality and individual freedom. My conviction is unshaken and this development in Afghanistan to my mind an ongoing tragedy, but we need to look at that "make sure" thing and be far more respectful of what others believe and want and far more humble in our assumptions about what we should force on others.

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78 replies	Author	Time	Post
Am I The Only One The Wants To Make Sure The Taliban Does Not Take Over Afghanistan Again? [View all]	DanieRains	Aug 2021	OP
The Graveyard of Empires	ret5hd	Aug 2021	#1
Right, seriously discouraging history.	elleng	Aug 2021	#8
While I agree, we haven't made a dent in almost 20 years.	Hoyt	Aug 2021	#2
20 years, thousands of lives, trillions of dollars	SledDriver	Aug 2021	#20
That gives them bragging rights.	lpbk2713	Aug 2021	#27
Trying to hold and squeeze water	Moostache	Aug 2021	#3
You may not be the only one but you are a very small minority in this country.	former9thward	Aug 2021	#4
I'm in the minority.	Rustyeye77	Aug 2021	#43
No one wants it to happen. But it will happen.	Scrivener7	Aug 2021	#5
Exactly, Ma'am	The Magistrate	Aug 2021	#14
The Taliban wants it to happen	krispos42	Aug 2021	#24
check the stats	rampartc	Aug 2021	#32
Hmph, I hadn't realized that	krispos42	Aug 2021	#34
Wow. I did not know that. And no, not conspiracy theory but rather	Scrivener7	Aug 2021	#44
yes, it is a CT	maxsolomon	Aug 2021	#55
it would not be the first time the cia was involved in drug trafficking	rampartc	Aug 2021	#71
Yeah, yeah. Another time, another place.	maxsolomon	Aug 2021	#73
No, but the history suggests 'failure.'	elleng	Aug 2021	#6
That country is geographically situated that it's where invaders go to flounder for years then die.	brush	Aug 2021	#7
Why? After 20 years it's a dead end.	SoonerPride	Aug 2021	#9
I don't want the Taliban to take control either, but	Haggard Celine	Aug 2021	#10
We didn't go to	cate94	Aug 2021	#11
Seems few remember that	Effete Snob	Aug 2021	#21
I'm more concerned	H2O Man	Aug 2021	#12
This!	BlueMTexpat	Aug 2021	#19
Damn straight	Hekate	Aug 2021	#31
T H I S	Cosmocat	Aug 2021	#36
Sorry, but I'm underwhelmed by the Afghan people's will to not be ruled by the Taliban.	Brother Mythos	Aug 2021	#13
This outcome was foreordained when Bush turned the mission into nation building...	Wounded Bear	Aug 2021	#15
Correct on all accounts	Cosmocat	Aug 2021	#37
That would involve getting into something with Pakistan	JI7	Aug 2021	#16
I am far more concerned about the Christian Nationalist controlling this country.	walkingman	Aug 2021	#17
that is so yesterday's news - if social media influencers aren't concerned, why should we be?	NewHendoLib	Aug 2021	#18
Tiny attention span	Effete Snob	Aug 2021	#22
Re-arranging the rocks in afghanistan	lindysalsagal	Aug 2021	#23
+1 Afghanistan is the place it wants to be.	BannonsLiver	Aug 2021	#60
It's a war of ideology, not something you can solve with guns, tanks, and bombs.	Lancero	Aug 2021	#25
We should offer asylum to Afghan women and help them escape	jmbar2	Aug 2021	#26
That is what I wish we could do.	smirkymonkey	Aug 2021	#33
It's been said since Alexander of Macedonia	UTUSN	Aug 2021	#28
Arm the Afghan women and let them take out the Taliban.	Laffy Kat	Aug 2021	#29
Here's a 2017 article in The Diplomat about how many empires were broken in the Hindu Kush....	Hekate	Aug 2021	#30
Oh yes... The UN and Europe are jumping all over it...right now.	Rustyeye77	Aug 2021	#35
Why should the UN and Europe	Elessar Zappa	Aug 2021	#40
I didnt say the US	Rustyeye77	Aug 2021	#42
Unfortunately I guess, or inevitably?, a lot of Afghanis	Hortensis	Aug 2021	#38
The Afghan people need to want it.	alphafemale	Aug 2021	#39
Just like the Palestinians need to "want" to get rid of Hamas?	brooklynite	Aug 2021	#51
Great post.	Rustyeye77	Aug 2021	#58
Yes n/t	Devil Child	Aug 2021	#65
Right now the Taliban aren't in charge, but	Deminpenn	Aug 2021	#41
Impossible. We can't do it. Nobody can do it.	MineralMan	Aug 2021	#45
What about the young girls ?	Rustyeye77	Aug 2021	#48
Here's the thing: We did not protect them before.	MineralMan	Aug 2021	#54
You may be right.	Rustyeye77	Aug 2021	#57
Too late	kpete	Aug 2021	#46
It won't happen. It is heartbreaking much like Vietnam.	Demsrule86	Aug 2021	#47
It is heartbreaking.	Rustyeye77	Aug 2021	#49
I know. It makes me sick.	Demsrule86	Aug 2021	#78
OK, you got the "entire civilized world" ready for action. What's next in your plan?	Devil Child	Aug 2021	#50
If it was easy it would have been done by now	Rustyeye77	Aug 2021	#61
I am way more worried about the Slobfather and ReTHUG terrorists	malaise	Aug 2021	#52
I am way more worried about the Slobfather and ReTHUG terrorists	malaise	Aug 2021	#53
Pakistan wants it. Pakistan has always supported it.	maxsolomon	Aug 2021	#56
Afghanistan is a cornerstone of Pakistan's "Strategic Depth" defense mindset for war with India	Devil Child	Aug 2021	#64
I'm sure it will be very useful to them.	maxsolomon	Aug 2021	#66
Pakistan seems to think so considering their actions in Afghanistan	Devil Child	Aug 2021	#68
I read up on "Strategic Depth" and it doesn't sound like they still pursue it.	maxsolomon	Aug 2021	#69
Total agreement with your last sentence.	Devil Child	Aug 2021	#72
Yes.	BannonsLiver	Aug 2021	#59
Personally I'm more worried about them taking over here ATM	ibegurpard	Aug 2021	#62
At what price?	bermudat	Aug 2021	#63
I don't think anyone wants that	Bettie	Aug 2021	#67
I am sorry Danie	flotsam2	Aug 2021	#70
I agree on the 'not just ours' part. To do it right, would take another 20 years	Volaris	Aug 2021	#74
Can the UN be reponsible?	DashOneBravo	Aug 2021	#75
Don't be ridiculous .	Rustyeye77	Aug 2021	#76
You're not. I don't want the Taliban to take over Afghanistan again either.	Captain Stern	Aug 2021	#77

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