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The Magistrate

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63. And Into The Bargain, Sir

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #38)

Tue Jul 13, 2021, 09:06 PM

Jul 2021

They threw away their lead in patent fights with Curtiss, failed to materially improve the Flyer, and ceded the lead in aviation to France. By 1914, the U.S. was a backwater, and Curtiss wound up taking over the Wright firm.

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Branson has developed access to space without the need for a heavy lift vehicle... [View all] brooklynite Jul 2021 OP

He Has Put Together A 'Limo' X-15, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2021 #1

Branson 7/11/21 - 82.2 kilometers; X-15 91 8/22/63 - 107.9 kilometers hatrack Jul 2021 #3

+1 dalton99a Jul 2021 #4

As someone who works in aerospace, I beg to differ. Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #43

Thanks for that! MerryHolidays Jul 2021 #44

... Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #45

Don't Try And Teach Grandma To Suck Eggs, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2021 #54

It's good to see someone posting here with something other than the knee-jerk... Silent3 Jul 2021 #2

This was done by the US in 1961 MerryHolidays Jul 2021 #5

Those were much more primitive vehicles Silent3 Jul 2021 #9

It was done 60 years ago...by definition it was crude. Back then it was cutting edge. MerryHolidays Jul 2021 #15

As I discussed in another reply to you... Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #46

No issue at all with advancement MerryHolidays Jul 2021 #50

And yet, the results are the same, really. MineralMan Jul 2021 #40

Sub-orbital flight with so much more safety, re-usability, greater payload, etc. Silent3 Jul 2021 #58

I can't see where the big deal is, though. MineralMan Jul 2021 #59

The 'much more primitive' vehicle reached 4,500 mph and 350,000 ft muriel_volestrangler Jul 2021 #60

These tourist trips are not going into orbit, yet RandiFan1290 Jul 2021 #6

X-15 flew into space w/o HLV spanone Jul 2021 #7

Meh. Suborbital flight. Max velocity of 3000 mph from what I read. RockRaven Jul 2021 #8

Access to space ? Not exactly. SoonerPride Jul 2021 #10

AS a practical matter... Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #47

Thats because he isn't leaving the atmosphere... cbdo2007 Jul 2021 #11

Yes they are... brooklynite Jul 2021 #12

It should also be taxed/regulated to benefit the US MerryHolidays Jul 2021 #19

Do you have evidence that Virgin Galactic doesn't pay corporate taxes? brooklynite Jul 2021 #20

Do you have evidence that it does? That's why I asked the question in my post. MerryHolidays Jul 2021 #22

Virgin Galactic is a publicly traded company (SPCE). brooklynite Jul 2021 #24

Oh, and I'm not taking about corporate taxes MerryHolidays Jul 2021 #25

The Wright brothers were not a big thing for some years muriel_volestrangler Jul 2021 #38

And Into The Bargain, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2021 #63

He's still a few miles short of being "usefully" in space... Wounded Bear Jul 2021 #13

Has anyone disputed that this is an initial step? brooklynite Jul 2021 #14

You seem invested in this. I think it's a bit over-hyped. Wounded Bear Jul 2021 #16

I'm invested in any development (public or private) that expands access to space... brooklynite Jul 2021 #21

I personally haven't participated in angry rants against Branson or Bezos over this... Wounded Bear Jul 2021 #29

I'm in aerospace R&D. I do not think it is overhyped. Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #48

No, but pointed out you need much more thrust to achieve actual space. GulfCoast66 Jul 2021 #18

The first Mercury flight was also suborbital... brooklynite Jul 2021 #23

You are correct, of course. Then we built bigger rockets with more fuel and thrust. GulfCoast66 Jul 2021 #26

Yes, and that was done 60 years and was a key step in the US space program MerryHolidays Jul 2021 #28

Mercury was designed to orbit, before the decision to make suborbital flights with Redstone muriel_volestrangler Jul 2021 #62

By "actual space" do you mean orbit? Happy Hoosier Jul 2021 #49

brooklynite concocts defense of some rich guy greenjar_01 Jul 2021 #17

"Branson's Virgin Galactic reaches edge of space" brooklynite Jul 2021 #27

I thought he hit 82 miles, which would be over 100km... Wounded Bear Jul 2021 #30

86 km, or 53 miles muriel_volestrangler Jul 2021 #32

He hasn't achieved more than the Pegasus rocket did in the 1990s muriel_volestrangler Jul 2021 #31

It is still just an airplane ride. pwb Jul 2021 #33

I once flew on the Concorde DFW Jul 2021 #35

Roller coasters are fun too. pwb Jul 2021 #36

Tax aerosol deodorants first. DFW Jul 2021 #39

I am pretty sure they are subject to a sales tax MerryHolidays Jul 2021 #42

Any state with a sales tax will do that, of course DFW Jul 2021 #52

They regulated the hell out of the Concorde MerryHolidays Jul 2021 #41

It was an interesting experience. DFW Jul 2021 #51

+10000 MerryHolidays Jul 2021 #53

I have another one to match it, though it doesn't concern me personally DFW Jul 2021 #55

Her dad must have been annoyed she was flying BA or Air France rather than Pan Am! nt MerryHolidays Jul 2021 #57

I'm no astrophysicist, but.... DFW Jul 2021 #61

Did you hear that of Virgin Galatic's 823 employees, none paid any income taxes? DFW Jul 2021 #34

Bullshit. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2021 #37

We should talk about this realistically. Caliman73 Jul 2021 #56