Until very recently - (Reply #15) - Democratic Underground

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Thu Jul 8, 2021, 11:12 AM

Ms. Toad (31,788 posts)

15. Until very recently -

circumcisons were done without any kind of pain control on the basis that infants were not well enough developed to feel pain.

Newborns do feel pain.

Parents don't have to be told that, and many pediatricians don't either. But the contrary belief - that the smallest babies are such primitive organisms that they are oblivious to pain - has persisted for decades among many physicians who have routinely operated on these children with little or no anesthesia.

https://www.nytimes.com/1987/11/24/science/infants-sense-of-pain-is-recognized-finally.html

When I was pregnant in 1987, and deciding about circumcision if I had a male child, the idea that infants don't feel pain was still as common as not.

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22 replies	Author	Time	Post
UK weighs ban on boiling live lobsters [View all]	Dial H For Hero	Jul 2021	OP
Why do they try desperately to escape the pot then?	Treefrog	Jul 2021	#1
+1	2naSalit	Jul 2021	#2
Presumably because lobsters which try to get away from something which damages them are more likely	Dial H For Hero	Jul 2021	#4
Reflexes don't require the ability to feel pain, or even a brain. nt.	Mariana	Jul 2021	#10
I should think it's chauvinistic to discriminate for or against vertebrates.	CoopersDad	Jul 2021	#3
I love that movie and I approve the proposed changes in GB to include invertebrates for protection.	MoonRiver	Jul 2021	#13
From Google index	Submariner	Jul 2021	#5
Ah yes, Mary Tyler Moore comes to mind.	Croney	Jul 2021	#6
I have no conclusive evidence that other human beings feel pain as I do	sanatanadharma	Jul 2021	#7
All life is sentient? Clams? Fleas? Bacteria? Radishes? Surely you draw the line somewhere.	Dial H For Hero	Jul 2021	#14
I do draw lines and color outside of the margins	sanatanadharma	Jul 2021	#16
Certainly there is a line somewhere but,	Disaffected	Jul 2021	#17
Until very recently -	Ms. Toad	Jul 2021	#15
Yes, another good example of	Disaffected	Jul 2021	#18
Many crustaceans have	sarisataka	Jul 2021	#8
I'm with you on octopuses	wryter2000	Jul 2021	#21
I love lobsters...	NurseJackie	Jul 2021	#9
They are probably better when steamed anyway...	Klaralven	Jul 2021	#19
If lobsters looked like puppies, we wouldn't allow it	Clash City Rocker	Jul 2021	#11
How does one stun mussels or clams?	dhol82	Jul 2021	#12
How would they like for them to be killed?	wryter2000	Jul 2021	#20
So what now? Lethal injection?	48656c6c6f20	Jul 2021	#22

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