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Caliman73

(11,730 posts)
32. Lines are arbitrary in most cases.
Mon Jun 28, 2021, 04:42 PM
Jun 2021

There are some lines that may be recognized by many or most people, but it is very subjective. As you said in your post, they asked if you thought they were being brainwashed and you answered honestly. You have to ask yourself if there was more harm in giving your truthful opinion, or lying to them. Anyone would be indignant about having been called brainwashed. It takes a special person to really look at their own biases and actually seek out some kind of less biased way of assessing their beliefs.

I do have to agree somewhat with Moostache who was doubting that Trump supporters can be "good people". I can't say that I completely agree with the assessment, but it is difficult to say that someone who completely agrees with and supports Trump's agenda could be considered a "good" person. There are conservatives who are good people but hold misguided views on certain issues. We can all be that way. Trump however, is corrupt, amoral, and immoral. He is a horrible person and people who admire him for what he represents, are admiring a person who is vindictive, petty, crooked, and sadistic. You cannot separate the "man" from his acts. He is acting on his desires and beliefs. If a person has any ethical mooring, any anchoring in religious ideas, it would be difficult to say that Trump would meet the criteria of being a decent person who should be respected or admired. The fact that they do, means that they are either deluding themselves and not operating in reality, or that they support him, which would make them "not good people".

You have to decide if you crossed a line based on your relationship. I am sure they will also let you know based on how they respond (or don't). In my opinion, you did nothing wrong. If people are asking for your opinion as to whether they are brainwashed if they are watching Fox and other right wing media, then the honest answer is always, yes. Right wing media pushes ideology over tangible facts and actions. People who watch that media exclusively, or buy into the idea that "liberal media" is lying, are definitely bainwashed.

Did I Cross The Line? [View all] DemUnleashed Jun 2021 OP
From your narrative gratuitous Jun 2021 #1
Exactly. soldierant Jun 2021 #96
It sounds like their brains need to be washed; they are full of Fox filth. lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #106
Good on you...tough love... wcmagumba Jun 2021 #2
I would suggest you and your friends set aside some time to watch and compare news channels together Dustlawyer Jun 2021 #109
I think you handled it quite well. nt GemDigger Jun 2021 #3
Why is it that we are the only ones that worry about offending them or crossing the line? Native Jun 2021 #4
+1000 smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #64
I dispute one contention you made... Moostache Jun 2021 #5
When a person is warm, welcoming, and generous, summer_in_TX Jun 2021 #48
Sorry but no. CrackityJones75 Jun 2021 #76
And yet, griffi94 Jun 2021 #81
Mutually exclusive ... aggiesal Jun 2021 #50
I don't believe that most people are ALL good or ALL bad. ShazzieB Jun 2021 #65
Beautifully written, thank you for that. chia Jun 2021 #71
Thank you for that story. PoindexterOglethorpe Jun 2021 #94
100% agree. Aligning with Trump demonstrates severe character defects. lagomorph777 Jun 2021 #107
I would add an adjustment - good people cannot be Trumplicans; but Trumplicans can sometimes do good Rabrrrrrr Jun 2021 #112
Facts are pesky things. Good for you saying it to their face. onecaliberal Jun 2021 #6
Hopefully it left a mark pandr32 Jun 2021 #7
Right on!!! Great example Demovictory9 Jun 2021 #8
Well if they ASKED you.... vanlassie Jun 2021 #9
Cross the line? Hell, you probably didn't go far enough! Gregory Peccary Jun 2021 #10
Sounds like you handled it very well. yardwork Jun 2021 #11
I applaud your efforts. I don't think it is possible to change the minds of Faux brainwashed people CentralMass Jun 2021 #12
You did a great job. zuul Jun 2021 #13
Thank you! DemUnleashed Jun 2021 #14
If they really care about truth KS Toronado Jun 2021 #42
It's not like you said fuck their feelings or the sane world is laughing at you idiots or you luckone Jun 2021 #15
I also have 2 republican friends - we met at the same workplace IcyPeas Jun 2021 #16
I also live in FL and have a repug friend. lark Jun 2021 #47
Maybe with the new laws, the GOP Ilsa Jun 2021 #79
There is no stopping her. She is one of the most determined people I know. lark Jun 2021 #111
Hardly DET Jun 2021 #17
Perhaps you made a little chink in their mental armor... 3catwoman3 Jun 2021 #18
You did well UpInArms Jun 2021 #19
No, I would say you were too soft with them JI7 Jun 2021 #20
Hell, I think you were the soul of understatement and restraint! 11 Bravo Jun 2021 #21
There is a million things to talk about. jimfields33 Jun 2021 #22
Thanks DemUnleashed Jun 2021 #23
As long as you were nice about it, and it sounds like you were, Nope relayerbob Jun 2021 #24
They're the ones who used that word. If they'd let you phrase it yourself... JHB Jun 2021 #25
Yes you did! But some lines need to be crossed. Fla Dem Jun 2021 #26
Not. At. All. lucca18 Jun 2021 #27
good job. i prolly would have gone completley overboard. AllaN01Bear Jun 2021 #28
Nope! Rebl2 Jun 2021 #29
You need to dump personal friends. BradBo Jun 2021 #30
You were mild. Which is how one has to be in these situations. That's why I can't be in Scrivener7 Jun 2021 #31
Lines are arbitrary in most cases. Caliman73 Jun 2021 #32
You handled it way better than I would have PlanetBev Jun 2021 #33
You are a genius BaronChocula Jun 2021 #34
I don't think so I do it all the time, they dont doc03 Jun 2021 #35
I was in a gas station last week and a guy multigraincracker Jun 2021 #36
Great response. Native Jun 2021 #52
Good for you! smirkymonkey Jun 2021 #66
You could have answered the question about dementia with one word. Grumpy Old Guy Jun 2021 #37
Ding ... Ding ... Ding ... lpbk2713 Jun 2021 #38
Let me guess the subject of politics was started doc03 Jun 2021 #39
No. You didn't go too far. SpankMe Jun 2021 #40
You did fine. I told a repub friend that he wasn't brainwashed because just a light rinse..... EarnestPutz Jun 2021 #41
Sounds like you made some progress wryter2000 Jun 2021 #43
i suppose in their world you did. barbtries Jun 2021 #44
No. Joinfortmill Jun 2021 #45
Sounds perfectly accurate and reasonable to me underpants Jun 2021 #46
There is nothing wrong with honestly answering their question in an open, honest, non emotional ... marble falls Jun 2021 #49
You cannot be a 'good person' and a Trump supporter. Scalded Nun Jun 2021 #51
We'll be on the other side of this someday, and guessing you'll want Sue for a friend. Hortensis Jun 2021 #53
You did the right thing. Mickju Jun 2021 #54
There are two questions I ask of anyone before I have a discussion Alien Life Form Jun 2021 #55
Nope. No line crossed. You told the painful truth. paleotn Jun 2021 #56
Cross the line? I don't think so. Most of us would have called them ignorant morons and Vinca Jun 2021 #57
No llashram Jun 2021 #58
I think a lot of the repubs I know realize that they are being brainwashed liberal_mama Jun 2021 #59
Yeah, world wide wally Jun 2021 #60
Outstanding Dan Jun 2021 #61
Are these two Republican friends sarisataka Jun 2021 #62
NO, not at all. Duppers Jun 2021 #63
A+!!!!! czarjak Jun 2021 #67
I don't think so. My sister and her husband are MAGA nuts appleannie1 Jun 2021 #68
Brava! chia Jun 2021 #69
You did great. ShazzieB Jun 2021 #70
Did you cross the line? dchill Jun 2021 #72
Fox attorney used defense that no reasonable viewers believe Tucker duhneece Jun 2021 #73
huh. CrackityJones75 Jun 2021 #74
To sarisataka DemUnleashed Jun 2021 #75
No, not at all. PatrickforB Jun 2021 #77
No, you didn't cross the line or go too far. crickets Jun 2021 #78
To Alien Life Form DemUnleashed Jun 2021 #80
You were appropriate. There is no line, just a step you took into the truth zone, which ancianita Jun 2021 #82
You need to go further jmbar2 Jun 2021 #83
My next door neighbor called it an "abortion of an election", because all the dead people voted for R Merm Jun 2021 #84
I woud not have been so kind. I would have called them stupid, ignorant fools bucolic_frolic Jun 2021 #85
I probably would have mentioned the 1/6 defendents MissMillie Jun 2021 #86
"she truly is a good person" Tarc Jun 2021 #87
I live in a rural area where lots of people were brought up as Republicans womanofthehills Jun 2021 #108
Well people in that set have a thing against hearing the truth, so there's that. NNadir Jun 2021 #88
No mgardener Jun 2021 #89
You let them off too easy. aeromanKC Jun 2021 #90
Not even close to "too far." BobTheSubgenius Jun 2021 #91
Prophets are never understood in their own time. Martin68 Jun 2021 #92
You pointed out the truth to friends who are apparently happy believing blatant lies. Rhiannon12866 Jun 2021 #93
Not one bit ybbor Jun 2021 #95
No seta1950 Jun 2021 #97
Not at all. Everything you said was true. You answered their question. SunSeeker Jun 2021 #98
Not at all. FoxNewsSucks Jun 2021 #99
No... Mike Nelson Jun 2021 #100
Not sure there is a "line to cross" with the Fox indoctrinated...nt Wounded Bear Jun 2021 #101
Can't truly be a good person and a Trumpublican. MrsCoffee Jun 2021 #102
Over the line?...Absolutely Not!...nt. MiHale Jun 2021 #103
Don't just flabbergast. Teach how to detect propaganda & how to counteract confirmation bias. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2021 #104
great sheilahi Jun 2021 #105
Time for new friends. There is no line to cross when they have no touch with reality. NoMoreRepugs Jun 2021 #110
You did great! Rabrrrrrr Jun 2021 #113
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