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StarfishSaver

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44. Administrations don't go around issuing subpoenas

Thu Jun 10, 2021, 11:38 PM

Jun 2021

And you have yet to identify what investigation of Apple they were conducting that required a grand jury or the issuance of a grand jury subpoena.

It sounds like you're just determined to make negative assumptions about the Obama administration without any knowledge or information - meanwhile, people are trying to discuss an unprecedented, outrageous abuse of power by the Trump administration while you keep wanting to argue about why the Obama administration didn't employ their tactics.

See the point?

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So why did Apple work with Trump administration? [View all] rogue emissary Jun 2021 OP

They didn't "work with" them StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #1

So it's another example FoxNewsSucks Jun 2021 #3

No. That's not what it is StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #5

re: post #6 FoxNewsSucks Jun 2021 #9

There is indeed a difference between objecting to an administration's regulatory policy and StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #15

Point noted, FoxNewsSucks Jun 2021 #18

Grand jury subpoenas are issued in secret, so we don't know that DOJ isn't issuing them StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #22

How could they get a Grand Jury subpoena on Schiff? Come on. triron Jun 2021 #38

You really need to read the NY Times article before you try to discuss this any further StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #45

I read it and it didn't explain the grand jury thing LymphocyteLover Jun 2021 #61

From the article StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #62

that's what I don't understand LymphocyteLover Jun 2021 #60

Name a legal summons that Apple "fought" during the Obama Administration. brooklynite Jun 2021 #20

If that's the case, FoxNewsSucks Jun 2021 #26

You mean a legal summons like a "subpoena"? brooklynite Jun 2021 #29

Why did Apple comply? Republicans didn't. triron Jun 2021 #39

So its okay to act illegally as long as someone else does? brooklynite Jun 2021 #41

What Republican refused to comply with a grand jury subpoena? StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #46

Apple has more lawyers than cicadas currently in D.C. Ellipsis Jun 2021 #30

Because the Obama administration didn't abuse power the way the Trump administration did StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #31

I'm not complaining that Obama didn't act illegally, FoxNewsSucks Jun 2021 #37

Administrations don't go around issuing subpoenas StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #44

You need to do a lot more reading!!! Nt USALiberal Jun 2021 #63

true, but Obama went through many of the same legal actions and they fought them in court. rogue emissary Jun 2021 #4

What grand jury subpoenas under Obama are you referring to? StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #7

There were multiple case of the Obama DOJ wanting and having to fight Apple to get information. rogue emissary Jun 2021 #10

Again I ask - what subpoenas did the Obama administration issue to Apple that Apple fought and StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #16

And Apple always follows the laws? rogue emissary Jun 2021 #23

Nice try StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #25

I keep repeating that they were very public in 08 to 16. rogue emissary Jun 2021 #28

What criminal laws did Apple break that would have resulted in them being jailed immediately? StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #32

They weren't under a gag order at that time. And if you're under a gag order Ocelot II Jun 2021 #33

Sigh StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #34

Yup. Ocelot II Jun 2021 #35

SO Apple has always followed every law that been imposed on them? rogue emissary Jun 2021 #40

They didn't this time. Should they have? Ocelot II Jun 2021 #42

Honestly, it doesn't matter what I want them to do. rogue emissary Jun 2021 #47

And you don't seem to understand the difference between publicly objecting to regulatory policy StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #49

The reason they didn't fight Trump as loudly as they fought Obama Ocelot II Jun 2021 #51

This is an explosive news story with serious ramifications. StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #52

Good point. I'm done trying to explain where explanation seems unwanted. Ocelot II Jun 2021 #55

Yep. StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #56

I'm not blaming them for what Trump DOJ wanted. rogue emissary Jun 2021 #54

You want Apple to break the law using Roger Stone as the model? StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #58

There are serious penalties for defying subpoenas and violating gag orders. Ocelot II Jun 2021 #27

name them... specifically. Ellipsis Jun 2021 #36

Facts are very important. And understanding the process. You are very patient. LiberalFighter Jun 2021 #53

Well that ain't fucking cool Blue Owl Jun 2021 #2

When you get a grand jury subpoena you don't have a lot of choice. Ocelot II Jun 2021 #11

Yup! MenloParque Jun 2021 #12

CEO Tim Cook has always supported Democrats, and raised millions for Obama and Hillary. Elwood P Dowd Jun 2021 #13

There you go with those stubborn facts ... StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #17

here's some more facts. . . rogue emissary Jun 2021 #43

Irrelevant facts that have absolutely nothing to do with Apple complying with a grand jury subpoena StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #48

you deemed them relevant. rogue emissary Jun 2021 #50

Let's see. "Tim Apple" was with trumpy in March 2019 soothsayer Jun 2021 #6

The records were subpoenaed. That's not "working with" the Trump administration. Ocelot II Jun 2021 #8

again I'm asking why didn't we know this when Trump DOJ made these request. rogue emissary Jun 2021 #14

They didn't talk about it because of a GAG ORDER StarfishSaver Jun 2021 #19

Gag order, like they did wrt CNN. Ocelot II Jun 2021 #21

#16. obnoxiousdrunk Jun 2021 #24

Cuz cilla4progress Jun 2021 #57

Because the Trump DOJ supeaned Sgent Jun 2021 #59