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Jon King

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6. Yeah, still gonna need oil...

Wed May 19, 2021, 06:04 AM

May 2021

No such thing as a electric jumbo jet, so need oil for that. Cargo ships....ain't gonna be electric. Need to generate all the electricity to charge the electric cars, so need oil for a good portion of that. Many houses need oil for heat. Most personal care products have petroleum based ingredients. Petroleum based products are in almost everything we use today.....plastics, clothing fibers, and on and on. Poor people in the city who use one $500 clunker after another to get to work? How will they afford their electric car? Where will they charge it within 10 years?

Also, what do you propose the millions and millions of regular people who live in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Venezuela do to survive with no petroleum revenue?

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In 10 Years A Gas Powered Car Will Make As Much Sense As A Horse Drawn Carriage [View all] DanieRains May 2021 OP

Horse drawn carriages are still on the road. multigraincracker May 2021 #1

Yes. And they make no sense. Buckeyeblue May 2021 #7

Zero emissions. They certainly are better for the environment. jimfields33 May 2021 #10

Zero emissions? That's not entirely true. Not as bad as cows but they still shit and piss. JanMichael May 2021 #13

I have had horses cinematicdiversions May 2021 #43

Damn. Never would have guessed that. jimfields33 May 2021 #44

Depends on your definition of pollute... Blanks May 2021 #96

As a one off they are fine. cinematicdiversions May 2021 #102

Replacing horses with cars wouldn't work well at all... Blanks May 2021 #105

Before horses were replaced by cars, there were serious problems with manure and flies csziggy May 2021 #49

ever wonder why city dwellers up until the 1920's wore boots almost all the time? Voltaire2 May 2021 #54

Speaking from experience, our infrastructure is not there yet for all electric cars. SunSeeker May 2021 #2

You can drive on electric when there's no gas; on gas when the electricity is out Klaralven May 2021 #14

Link to proof of gas outages please. nt USALiberal May 2021 #17

Most NC gas stations still out of fuel. But state is making progress, analyst says. Klaralven May 2021 #20

Exactly. If you only have one car, you need the versatility of a PHEV. SunSeeker May 2021 #53

My husband drives a Toyota Prius V csziggy May 2021 #50

Yes, refurbished batteries are a rip off, they rarely last more than few years. SunSeeker May 2021 #59

Yes, we've already made the decision to buy from Toyota csziggy May 2021 #61

Best car I ever had was a 2005 Pontiac Vibe (a Toyota Matrix with Pontiac stickers). SunSeeker May 2021 #85

Depends on your EV Voltaire2 May 2021 #55

I like to go hiking. There's no Tesla superchargers near the trailheads where I go. SunSeeker May 2021 #58

That's a valid concern tinrobot May 2021 #71

I will happily get all-electric when the infrastructure is there. SunSeeker May 2021 #80

Rivian uses standard connectors. tinrobot May 2021 #81

There are no "standard connectors." SunSeeker May 2021 #83

Your Bolt is one of the slowest charging EVs out there. tinrobot May 2021 #69

Wrong. My 2019 Bolt has DC fast charging. But fast chargers are few and far between. SunSeeker May 2021 #84

Why PHEVs should make a comeback JCMach1 May 2021 #86

The Volt is a great car. Chevy should bring it back. nt SunSeeker May 2021 #89

When we went to NYC a few years ago my wife wanted to ride a Horse Drawn Carriage ZonkerHarris May 2021 #3

EXACTLY! nt Raine May 2021 #4

The time will come Sherman A1 May 2021 #5

A great deal can change in 10 years Buckeyeblue May 2021 #8

I don't disagree that much can and has changed in a decade Sherman A1 May 2021 #16

In '79, I thought the same about home PCs LanternWaste May 2021 #76

Yeah, still gonna need oil... Jon King May 2021 #6

For the uS Sgent May 2021 #26

petrol cars are going to be a HUGE battleground for U.S. RWers by the 2030's and 2040's Celerity May 2021 #9

I think it will be like the light bulb jimfields33 May 2021 #46

But will the demand be there? tinrobot May 2021 #70

Think of the money we will save on bombers Captain Zero May 2021 #11

They will be just redirected to rare-mineral countries fescuerescue May 2021 #28

In May of 2008, I saw my first "smart phone" DFW May 2021 #12

Nice graphic... Wounded Bear May 2021 #40

Have you watched The Mitchell Family vs The Machines? GoneOffShore May 2021 #90

Never heard of it DFW May 2021 #91

It's also fun. GoneOffShore May 2021 #92

Are batteries really the answer long term? How long does it take to charge the batteries? JohnSJ May 2021 #15

I can plug mine in to a standard outlet MissB May 2021 #24

I have a plug in Honda clarity where I can go 40 to 60 miles on pure battery before it switches JohnSJ May 2021 #31

Level 3 Superchargers can take a Tesla from 0-170 miles range in just 30 minutes. nt. Voltaire2 May 2021 #57

Batteries are going to win over hydrogen (for consumers at least) tinrobot May 2021 #72

I Would Have Agreed With Nearly All... ProfessorGAC May 2021 #18

I bought a new car last August. The previous car lasted 17 years. brooklynite May 2021 #19

Average Age of Vehicles on the Road is Approaching 12 Years Klaralven May 2021 #21

And, That's The Average ProfessorGAC May 2021 #51

Energy is energy. It takes as much energy to move an automobile whether it is powered by totodeinhere May 2021 #22

In addition, the recharging stations have to have their electricity produced from some source JohnSJ May 2021 #34

Good points that I left out. Thank you. n/t totodeinhere May 2021 #75

I suspect ect there will be multiple solutions, and it will be interesting to see what dominates JohnSJ May 2021 #79

I have a 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee with 92,000 miles on it.... SKKY May 2021 #23

I have a 2003 ford focus wagon with 63000 miles on it Marrah_Goodman May 2021 #63

Only 63K?? That's amazing. SKKY May 2021 #93

yup, had 55 when I bought it last year. Marrah_Goodman May 2021 #98

Maybe 30 years! Nt USALiberal May 2021 #25

That day is coming but it's a lot further than 10 years fescuerescue May 2021 #27

In 10 years we will be exploring the galaxy in FTL starships and traveling backward in time. Towlie May 2021 #29

Here's a time travel paradox - Oneironaut May 2021 #99

Five years ago, there were people saying nearly all truck drivers bullwinkle428 May 2021 #30

Also, diesel mechanics ought to start looking for new jobs dalton99a May 2021 #36

What we need is aerial sedans to save wear and tear on the roadways dalton99a May 2021 #32

Electric battery cars will dominate sales long before 10 years. BSdetect May 2021 #33

Not at current prices they won't, and not without a reliable infrastructure that can support JohnSJ May 2021 #37

LOL, I love how all bombastic future "predictions" are always only "10 years away" Shanti Shanti Shanti May 2021 #35

It is like when you go to a crowded restaurant. They always say 20 mintutes for a table, when JohnSJ May 2021 #38

I've been driving electric for 10 years. tinrobot May 2021 #73

Trump's awesome health care is only 2 weeks away lame54 May 2021 #78

Well, I don't fit that profile very well. bello May 2021 #39

As long as gas has an energy density *100* times greater than batteries... Silent3 May 2021 #41

you may be right, the transition to "smart" phones was very fast Shellback Squid May 2021 #42

I'm bookmarking this Polybius May 2021 #45

I have that exact thought. LiberatedUSA May 2021 #47

Let me know Zeitghost May 2021 #48

Exactly. hardluck May 2021 #52

Los Angeles reporting in - can't remember the last blackout. tinrobot May 2021 #74

No, not in 10 years. Maybe 20-30 years. MineralMan May 2021 #56

60% of the electricity in the US is generated by from fossil fuels Jose Garcia May 2021 #60

yeah that has to change. Voltaire2 May 2021 #66

It was pretty clear to me fescuerescue May 2021 #94

more importantly new power generation has to be green Voltaire2 May 2021 #107

It requires 8 kWh to refine one gallon of gasoline. joshcryer May 2021 #106

Pretty sure I will never be able to afford an electric car in my lifetime Marrah_Goodman May 2021 #62

I paid 8K for my used Volt. Bolts are 25k and under used these days JCMach1 May 2021 #87

When they have old used ones in the 2k range maybe then Marrah_Goodman May 2021 #100

If Ford's electric F-150 is a success, it's all over with. Paladin May 2021 #64

I bet that truck will cost over $75,000. Mr.Bill May 2021 #82

Base model is $40,000. Elessar Zappa May 2021 #103

I'm still driving my 2007 car iemanja May 2021 #65

How do poor people who can only afford a $500 beater Honda Civic afford an electric car? ansible May 2021 #67

One of the hidden +'s of EVs is how little service and maintenance JCMach1 May 2021 #88

Are beater electric cars down to $500 now? fescuerescue May 2021 #95

That $500 car doesn't exist any more... Check your local CLIST, or FB Marketplace JCMach1 May 2021 #97

I'll buy an older car and install an eight track tape player. lpbk2713 May 2021 #68

Can't wait to take a Hyundai ride through Central Park lame54 May 2021 #77

The 1st electric car was produced in 1891 Niagara May 2021 #101

What we will drive in 10 or 20 years will be dictated Mr.Bill May 2021 #104