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Ms. Toad

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102. Trans women are women. Period.

Reply to DontBelieveEastisEas (Reply #101)

Sun May 2, 2021, 10:26 PM

May 2021

When you prohibit trans women from playing in women activities, you are not prohibiting men from playing in women's activities. You are prohibiting women from playing in women's activities.

From the number of times you imply that trans women are not really women, it is obvious that you do not support trans individuals.

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The Entire Transgender Athlete Controversy is Bullshit from the Right [View all] MineralMan May 2021 OP

I agree with you 100% Diamond_Dog May 2021 #1

Thanks! MineralMan May 2021 #2

I said this on another thread: this is a problem that affects like 0.00000001% of the population. Initech May 2021 #3

Yes, exactly. MineralMan May 2021 #7

Another disadvantaged minority for them to pick on - Ocelot II May 2021 #4

Exactly. MineralMan May 2021 #10

I love how these meat-heads are suddenly concerned about women's / girls sports. Coventina May 2021 #5

Winner!!! we can do it May 2021 #12

Absolutely. As hard as we had to fight to get girls sports in school. The GOP was never on our side. Walleye May 2021 #26

GOP have long been masters at ginning up controversy over nothing mcar May 2021 #6

Republican Culture War bullshit that negatively affects minorities nationwide... Humanist_Activist May 2021 #8

I disagree on this one. Arthur_Frain May 2021 #9

You are incorrect. MineralMan May 2021 #13

The repubs are weaponizing this as they do everything they pretend to care about. FM123 May 2021 #20

You certainly could Zeitghost May 2021 #21

Biology is not irrelevant. Arthur_Frain May 2021 #33

You really need to educate yourself on this obamanut2012 May 2021 #41

In competition who can lift more weight, who can run faster, who can throw a shotput or discus marie999 May 2021 #82

They're not wrong. redqueen May 2021 #105

Whew, lotta ignorance here in your post. WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #17

Well Arthur_Frain May 2021 #34

Why should we ignore ignorance and misinformation? obamanut2012 May 2021 #44

Not so. Ocelot II May 2021 #19

Although some folks have responded as such Arthur_Frain May 2021 #37

JFC obamanut2012 May 2021 #45

Because members here are steeped in the same trans-hostile culture Ms. Toad May 2021 #68

No, some of us look at sports and see that men excel over women in powerlifting, swimming, and marie999 May 2021 #83

Thank you, once again, not having the backs of LGBT people. Ms. Toad May 2021 #85

My post was strictly about sports. You have no idea about my views about the marie999 May 2021 #87

Your post about sports speaks volumes. Ms. Toad May 2021 #88

Yes my post about sports speaks volumes. marie999 May 2021 #89

If that gives you comfort, so be it. Ms. Toad May 2021 #91

I agree AZProgressive May 2021 #109

I know a number of trans children, Ms. Toad May 2021 #75

Beyond epic fail obamanut2012 May 2021 #40

None of what you say is accurate mcar May 2021 #66

I think it's mostly about using Haggard Celine May 2021 #11

When I was in middle school, I took a peek into an unoccupied MineralMan May 2021 #14

The whole notion is ridiculous. Ocelot II May 2021 #15

Exactly! MineralMan May 2021 #16

And we have at least one user here spoonfeeding DU every bit of it. It's a bit much. (Nt) FreepFryer May 2021 #18

A couple users on this site exclusively post on threads about trans issues. Oneironaut May 2021 #47

This. Appreciate the confirmation. (Nt). FreepFryer May 2021 #50

If there is no competitive advantage... Zeitghost May 2021 #22

But your daughter isn't on a level playing field. That's the whole point of sports. WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #23

Why not? Because athletes want to have equality in athletics MineralMan May 2021 #25

The reason we separate men and women sports is that, in general, women aren't competitive LisaL May 2021 #38

+1 North Shore Chicago May 2021 #108

That's the whole enchilada Sur Zobra May 2021 #126

It's an interesting question, requiring knowledge and education. It's ridiculous to label... LAS14 May 2021 #24

Do you not understand how few people this applies to? MineralMan May 2021 #27

If it affects nobody, why are you concerned about it? LisaL May 2021 #42

Because it is rank misinformation and bigotry obamanut2012 May 2021 #46

Most transgender women I have met are physically comparable to most cis women haele May 2021 #28

Jenner was an Olympic Champion in decathlon. LisaL May 2021 #39

Zero advantage obamanut2012 May 2021 #48

Once Caitlyn Jenner started taking testosterone blockers, that advantage is gone. WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #49

Just like that? LisaL May 2021 #51

It usually takes a year or so. WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #57

What if a M to F trans teen in high shool is not on any sort of testosterone blockers or Celerity May 2021 #92

"Should they be allowed to compete in girl's athletic events?" WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #93

oki, I agree on the 2nd, disagree on the first, thanks Celerity May 2021 #99

Jenner has also not continued to train over the past three decades. haele May 2021 #76

I saw a clip this morning of Stephanie Ruhle and the Governor of West Virginia: It's very good. panader0 May 2021 #29

There really isn't any evidence. MineralMan May 2021 #32

Sports that exclude men is an issue DontBelieveEastisEas May 2021 #61

This thread is not about that. MineralMan May 2021 #113

Exactly cabot May 2021 #30

Except Hubbard has no more testerone than the woman she beat obamanut2012 May 2021 #52

There were years prior to transition while her body reaped benefits of testosterone (muscle mass, LisaL May 2021 #55

Mail pelvic girdle, hip sockets, and femur alignment for running, etc. Klaralven May 2021 #80

Sounded sincere to me DontBelieveEastisEas May 2021 #58

No, I just have empathy cabot May 2021 #71

K&R ismnotwasm May 2021 #31

The exception nearly always proves the rule gulliver May 2021 #35

So you are proposing to DNA test all the kiddies in order to let them participate in sports? LisaL May 2021 #36

Y or no Y DontBelieveEastisEas May 2021 #54

There is an athlete who played on women's teams in college and Ilsa May 2021 #56

There is a big controversy about this lady competing, LisaL May 2021 #59

Athletes perform differently at different parts of their menstrual cycles due to hormonal WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #62

She's not the one I was thinking of, Ilsa May 2021 #97

So Mack Beggs should keep wrestling people who are also XX? WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #60

Since he was taking testosterone, it would have made a lot more sense to let him compete LisaL May 2021 #90

He was actually taking a small enough dose as well as puberty blockers to ensure he could continue WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #94

They would have let him compete as a girl regardless of how much testosterone he took, LisaL May 2021 #98

They need something new malaise May 2021 #43

Why have Men and Women Divisions at all ? DontBelieveEastisEas May 2021 #53

When you talk about "generally outperforming," you're still going to have standouts. WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #70

It is weird DontBelieveEastisEas May 2021 #72

The Olympics disagree with you. WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #73

NO (actually yes due to genome sequencing) DontBelieveEastisEas May 2021 #74

"But at the Olympics, if there were a simple test, don't you think they would do it?" WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #77

You win this point, for now. DontBelieveEastisEas May 2021 #81

Talent and skill can certainly make a difference. Nexus2 May 2021 #129

GOP needed a new punching-bag & adult LGBTQ are by now too strong, so they picked little kids... Hekate May 2021 #63

Issue for Whom DontBelieveEastisEas May 2021 #69

Let me remind you of 2004, Ms. Toad May 2021 #78

I'm with you. DontBelieveEastisEas May 2021 #84

"as if they were the most female person in the world" - can you get any more offensive? Ms. Toad May 2021 #86

Not on everything DontBelieveEastisEas May 2021 #101

Trans women are women. Period. Ms. Toad May 2021 #102

Then change the limiting factor DontBelieveEastisEas May 2021 #103

No. You call it the women's league. Ms. Toad May 2021 #107

The more knots you tie yourself into with "those born as non Y genetics" to describe human beings WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #95

rope or twine DontBelieveEastisEas May 2021 #100

Human Beings ARE Animals. MineralMan May 2021 #116

From Others DontBelieveEastisEas May 2021 #124

Yes Hekate May 2021 #96

I don't think you are addressing my statement.It is a huge issue for individuals & their families... Hekate May 2021 #79

I think that part of the issue is that the idea has an initial glean of 'truth' to it. Nexus2 May 2021 #64

When a 15 year old Caitlin Jenner wants to join the JV girls track team prodigitalson May 2021 #65

NOT TRUE DontBelieveEastisEas May 2021 #67

You are right and wrong. redqueen May 2021 #104

What is the purpose of high school sports? hunter May 2021 #106

Some people enjoy playing sports. Many get scholarships from high school sports. redqueen May 2021 #110

College sports scholarships are fucked up too. hunter May 2021 #120

It's not absurd that it's a national issue redqueen May 2021 #123

The Democratic Party needs to punch back hard. hunter May 2021 #125

I think Republicans are worse AZProgressive May 2021 #128

If they are playing on high level, it could enable them to get an athletic scholarship to college. LisaL May 2021 #115

Professional sports is entertainment. hunter May 2021 #121

It's much more likely, as discussed in the thread on Twitter, that there isn't a boys team to WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #111

Because if some girls are born male, they have advantages redqueen May 2021 #112

They're assigned male at birth. WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #117

In case of a guy playing on girl's team, it doesn't appear he is transgender. LisaL May 2021 #114

But is it fair if a girl doesn't get to play because he's on the team? WhiskeyGrinder May 2021 #118

Interesting, but irrelevant to the topic. MineralMan May 2021 #119

Like I said, people have an intuitive sense of fairness. redqueen May 2021 #122

Thye love easy targets RANDYWILDMAN May 2021 #127