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Major Nikon

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96. Reasonable doubt is the legal standard for criminal cases

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:24 AM

Mar 2021

Nobody is saying Cuomo should be put behind bars, even if the claims have merit.

Tort, administrative, and political actions all have different standards of guilt than criminal cases. Nobody who has been sexually harassed in the workplace should have to meet the standard of beyond reasonable doubt before actions are taken. This type of misinformation is actually harmful to those who have experienced such things.

Anyone who has actual experience in these types of matters should know this.

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I have spent over three decades in courtrooms ... [View all] NanceGreggs Mar 2021 OP

K&R. Totally agree, we have been here before. NoMoreRepugs Mar 2021 #1

:) The attempt to smear Biden as a sexual predator comes to mind. Hortensis Mar 2021 #65

And as women we know True Blue American Mar 2021 #119

All true of both sexes. Both sexes also can commit to their lies Hortensis Mar 2021 #122

I agree. Cracklin Charlie Mar 2021 #2

Thank you, Nance. Very well said. You are so eloquent, and wise. We need your voice... CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2021 #3

Merci! Mme. Defarge Mar 2021 #4

Right on! Take it to a neutral third party and let the chips fall where they may. dutch777 Mar 2021 #5

100% right! Snackshack Mar 2021 #6

Basically agree. However, I think a lot of women don't come forward Hoyt Mar 2021 #7

Hoyt! Dude! True Dough Mar 2021 #28

You were just wrong all those other times :) Hoyt Mar 2021 #91

Well, True Dough Mar 2021 #101

yep. If I can mash up both your post AND and the OP stopdiggin Mar 2021 #53

The Governor of New York has nothing to do with actively pursuing the crimes of one Donald J. Trump PoliticAverse Mar 2021 #8

However, Lefta Dissenter Mar 2021 #12

If such a governor wanted to commit political suicide. n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2021 #15

He might think Lefta Dissenter Mar 2021 #17

45 has tried everything else. notinkansas Mar 2021 #23

If Cuomo was removed he would be replaced by the Lieutenant Governor, a Democrat also... PoliticAverse Mar 2021 #64

Yes Lefta Dissenter Mar 2021 #72

That was true the last time this happened... Grins Mar 2021 #133

When Spitzer resigned he was replaced by Lt. Governor Patterson (Democrat). PoliticAverse Mar 2021 #157

There exists in this country a court of public opinion which decides all federal elections. jaxexpat Mar 2021 #100

Yep Dorian Gray Mar 2021 #125

I agree with you partly rpannier Mar 2021 #9

Indeed! 👍 Duppers Mar 2021 #10

I do not think it is the position to automatically believe women Bev54 Mar 2021 #11

Thank you. And glad you're the expert right now. ancianita Mar 2021 #13

Not an expert by any means ... NanceGreggs Mar 2021 #16

Credible expert witness enough, and we are the clearer for that. Thank you for your post. ancianita Mar 2021 #21

And thank you ... NanceGreggs Mar 2021 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author Kablooie Mar 2021 #54

Yep, you sure do! calimary Mar 2021 #154

"Lag time" for Franken: 14 years. moondust Mar 2021 #14

My theory is Republicans try to clear the decks to run for target seats. Franken's was saved. ancianita Mar 2021 #32

Biden got 60.9% of New York. moondust Mar 2021 #40

Yep, different kind of election. Not a state election. I'm not claiming to know, either, because ancianita Mar 2021 #42

Nail on head: state level pardon. Jetheels Mar 2021 #104

Wow... srobertss Mar 2021 #150

I think this is what this is about really Meowmee Mar 2021 #156

"accusations...conveniently surfaced" is so right ailsagirl Mar 2021 #18

I'm not going to trash you at all. I'm going to agree. PatrickforB Mar 2021 #19

I had a friend whose wife tried to insinuate that something lurid went on between him and his kids. chowder66 Mar 2021 #20

K&R mountain grammy Mar 2021 #22

K&R! SheltieLover Mar 2021 #24

Bravo! CanonRay Mar 2021 #25

The timing is also extremely suspicious Rhiannon12866 Mar 2021 #26

So you believe that these three Democratic women are trying to help Trump Jose Garcia Mar 2021 #76

We were told early on that one of Trump's signature behaviors was enacting revenge Rhiannon12866 Mar 2021 #77

Why would these woman, all of whom have worked as Democratic staffers, want to help Trump? Jose Garcia Mar 2021 #81

Indeed. The timing might be because as Democrats they didn't want to say anything intheflow Mar 2021 #90

I believe they were recruited and paid off. Young women with big debts. Must be very tempting Dream Girl Mar 2021 #111

That is a good point...check their bank accounts... Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #137

They just are the pile on crew...could be for any reason...they don't like him, they want a woman Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #134

I'm with you Nance LittleGirl Mar 2021 #29

I am sorry for your travails. NanceGreggs Mar 2021 #31

It was decades ago LittleGirl Mar 2021 #35

I am a victim also...and I want proof too...this sort of thing is bad for women who are truly Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #135

Except for the fact Texasgal Mar 2021 #30

And except for the fact ... NanceGreggs Mar 2021 #34

Yup. Texasgal Mar 2021 #37

I hope what I think IS clear. NanceGreggs Mar 2021 #39

Assuming that these women are liars IS victim shaming kcr Mar 2021 #67

That assertion isn't present in the OP. TwilightZone Mar 2021 #92

Even Cuomo isn't saying they're lying kcr Mar 2021 #93

Extremely Dorian Gray Mar 2021 #128

Who assumes they are liars? treestar Mar 2021 #144

The fact that women are often not believed does not mean they should always be believed. hay rick Mar 2021 #41

No, #MeToo doesn't mean accusation is conviction or anything close. It means we need uponit7771 Mar 2021 #56

Agreed. intheflow Mar 2021 #87

Sadly, I'm not Dorian Gray Mar 2021 #127

Just because a claim has been made doesn't mean she is a victim...I have to say these are bullshit Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #138

There are so many opinions and they substitute for facts. nolabear Mar 2021 #33

by far the most nuanced (and at the same time, solid) stopdiggin Mar 2021 #60

Completely agree with you, NanceGreggs. Blue Dawn Mar 2021 #36

Thank you, Nance. niyad Mar 2021 #38

I think the idea is to take the accusations seriously, not to take them as factual. nt Gore1FL Mar 2021 #43

THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 uponit7771 Mar 2021 #57

Thank you! betsuni Mar 2021 #44

This may be the most profound thing Mr.Bill Mar 2021 #45

Thank you, I totally agree with, and appreciate your post. scarletwoman Mar 2021 #46

Spot on, Nance. Spot on. nt Hekate Mar 2021 #47

I totally agree LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2021 #48

Contempt prior to investigation is one of our biggest evils..... KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2021 #49

a quick question quakerboy Mar 2021 #50

The governor can pardon him Bettie Mar 2021 #84

Interesting quakerboy Mar 2021 #143

No Democrat should resign their position unless convicted of a felony. dalton99a Mar 2021 #51

Yup, that would put an end to the rat fucking going on. Demsrule86 Mar 2021 #139

I wouldn't be surprised if there was GLOP money going to these women. Kablooie Mar 2021 #52

"always believe" is a fools game stopdiggin Mar 2021 #55

He sounds guilty of boorish behavior... IcyPeas Mar 2021 #58

By his own policy. It is harassment tulipsandroses Mar 2021 #63

My Mother has told of accounts similar to yours. She was a court stenographer in the lamp_shade Mar 2021 #59

I couldn't agree more DFW Mar 2021 #61

It should be noted that Ms.Bennett, 2nd accuser did not wait years to speak about what happened tulipsandroses Mar 2021 #62

Frankly, I don't think the OP cares kcr Mar 2021 #68

THAT's what you took from this? Bias against women? Hortensis Mar 2021 #71

In the context of the Cuomo discussion? You bet I did. kcr Mar 2021 #73

All men and women are credible until shown not to be. Hortensis Mar 2021 #78

I don't need to re-read the OP kcr Mar 2021 #79

You think the OP is disgusting. Noted. The end. Hortensis Mar 2021 #80

Excellent post! I totally agree. Especially this: raccoon Mar 2021 #66

I'm with you 100%, Alliepoo Mar 2021 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author Alliepoo Mar 2021 #70

Hear Hear, Ma'am The Magistrate Mar 2021 #74

Except women are consistently disbelieved. boston bean Mar 2021 #75

Except the person investigating Trump Dem4Life1102 Mar 2021 #82

This post is absolutely spot on. I have been of this mind in this case from the start. msfiddlestix Mar 2021 #83

Well stated by someone with experience. twodogsbarking Mar 2021 #85

Are you saying "All accusations matter?" intheflow Mar 2021 #86

That's one for the ages bucolic_frolic Mar 2021 #88

K&R spanone Mar 2021 #89

K&R JohnnyRingo Mar 2021 #94

+1 nt Hotler Mar 2021 #95

Reasonable doubt is the legal standard for criminal cases Major Nikon Mar 2021 #96

It may be shocking to some, but there are people who will lie for political reasons. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2021 #97

Well said judesedit Mar 2021 #98

The boys at Duke would agree. They were massacred on DU. theneworiginal Mar 2021 #99

Totally Agree FrankTC Mar 2021 #102

Totally agree, Nance. EQUAL justice under the law librechik Mar 2021 #103

I'm with you. Mob justice is never justice. Accusations are not proof. Rabrrrrrr Mar 2021 #105

Thank you NanceGreggs, well written. Jetheels Mar 2021 #106

I'm not sure why "wait for the facts to come in" is a controversial position. Pacifist Patriot Mar 2021 #107

A very serious allegation of abuse was levelled against my friend Wes by a vindictive ex. BobTheSubgenius Mar 2021 #108

K&R - Thank you NanceGreggs, well said. c-rational Mar 2021 #109

K & R for Truth and Due Process nt Tommymac Mar 2021 #110

Roger Stone wrote the book The Wizard Mar 2021 #112

Nance, you are a jewel...Yes, women lie as well as men do. Escurumbele Mar 2021 #113

Listen to accusers, investigate allegations mcar Mar 2021 #114

I completely agree with you. Silver1 Mar 2021 #115

I Was a Sex-Crimes Prosecutor. Here's Why 'He Said, She Said' Is a Myth AZProgressive Mar 2021 #116

K&R BootinUp Mar 2021 #117

Thank you wendyb-NC Mar 2021 #118

Agree 110% marieo1 Mar 2021 #120

K&R Blue Owl Mar 2021 #121

Thank you. Wild blueberry Mar 2021 #123

This is insane Dorian Gray Mar 2021 #124

Brava, Nance Greggs Stinky The Clown Mar 2021 #126

I'm in full agreement. This has the faint whiff of a political hit job to me. Texin Mar 2021 #129

It is seldom a black and white situation in which there is no doubt about who is guilty. We need to Martin68 Mar 2021 #130

K and R Ferrets are Cool Mar 2021 #131

This is a great OP and a great thread bucolic_frolic Mar 2021 #132

yes pamdb Mar 2021 #136

the sanity of your words soothes the Soul! bluboid Mar 2021 #140

35 year attorney here. You are spot on. Red Raider 85 Mar 2021 #141

If I could rec this post a billion times I would. ClusterFreak Mar 2021 #142

Couldn't agree more. FoxNewsSucks Mar 2021 #145

Thank you. Kath2 Mar 2021 #146

Well said! FlyingPiggy Mar 2021 #147

I knew a guy once.. JPPaverage Mar 2021 #148

In the middle of the worst pandemic on record THIS is the headline????????????????????? Ford_Prefect Mar 2021 #149

K & R. Dagstead Bumwood Mar 2021 #151

" To say 'believe the woman no matter what' ... soldierant Mar 2021 #152

Lies and Innuendo?? Mary in S. Carolina Mar 2021 #153

If you're referring to the photo of Al Franken ... FakeNoose Mar 2021 #155