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H2O Man

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48. Consequences.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 04:48 PM
Feb 2021

I'm not a fan of Mitch McConnaloid, but I had to partially agree with him when he said this: &quot Trump) hasn't gotten away with anything -- yet." On one hand, that is bullshit, because he got away with numerous things, starting with his 2016 behaviors, with the Ukraine, and on and on. But he is going to be facing some consequences now, as a private criminal, er, um, citizen. There are both criminal and civil cases awaiting the old boy.

Now, per "Democrats" ..... we have to remember there is a large range of Democratic Party politicians in Washington, DC. Each individual, in fact, has within them some progressive traits, mixed in with liberal, centrist, and conservative traits and values. I will speculate that people's responses to various stimuli tends to follow general patterns -- depending on what mixture of progressive, liberal, centrist, and/or conservative traits they have.

Let's take an example. For some reason, the attack on the Capitol comes to mind. I think we can agree that had to be on a range from uncomfortable to frightening for every person there for a good reason -- the politicians, their aides, the workers, and the police. What we might focus on is the immediate responses up to 48 hours later, compared to three weeks later. The Democrats were solid in recognizing both Trump's central role, and the need to hold him accountable. Right?

But by the time of the trial, there were differences of opinion within the party about issues, including the calling of witnesses. Quite a bit of the party's leadership, including in the White House, were opposed to calling witnesses. By mid-week, they knew which republicans were entrenched and unwill to vote to convict. So when Raskin announced he wanted to call a witness, he was giving voice to the progressive wing. That resulted in the "time out" and Senators going into a huddle.

It was up to leadership to determine the next step. Now, the simple truth is that calling witnesses offered potential benefits and negatives. In my opinion -- and I understand exactly why others may disagree, but I am basing my opinion on my rather shallow understanding of politics -- having Trump's legal team allow the information to be introduced, though not testified to, was the est of the potential outcomes. I think it was, in fact, what Rep. Raskin had in mind from the giddy-up. He played them. Just my opinion.

Now, what does that do, in the larger, national sense? It helps document the Truth, without the clutter of lies and bullshit the Trump team would have introduced. It avoided meaningful distraction, and put important information on the record. The public gets to see it on television, and read about it in the news. They know it is important, because it ruffled republican feathers, and put the legal chihuahuas' tails between their legs.

It is a further blow to the wedge that is dividing the republican party at the seams -- the cult vs the "regular" republicans. Those regulars did vote for Trump in 2020, but events since then insure that they want him removed from their party. Plenty of republicans have already left their party since November. We do not want them to become Democrats. That would damage our party severely. But we do want to splinter their party. And in such situations, one does best to strike while the iron is hot.

And that, my Wonderful Little Sister, is exactlywhy I'm saying we all need to don our blacksmith's gear.

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Happy [View all] H2O Man Feb 2021 OP
Great analogy, H20 Man True Dough Feb 2021 #1
Thank you! H2O Man Feb 2021 #2
Hendrix, peace of mind and a Sat night essay from livetohike Feb 2021 #3
I was trying H2O Man Feb 2021 #6
Same down here in PA. It's been very cold and we haven't seen the ground livetohike Feb 2021 #17
A fabulous OP malaise Feb 2021 #4
Thanks! H2O Man Feb 2021 #7
⭐️K&R⭐️ spanone Feb 2021 #5
Always good to H2O Man Feb 2021 #9
well said....and very helpful to many folks I think.... dhill926 Feb 2021 #8
Thanks! H2O Man Feb 2021 #10
Raskin just blows my mind... dhill926 Feb 2021 #12
I admit, I was disappointed in the outcome even though I knew that they wouldn't convict. llmart Feb 2021 #11
Stacy Abrams! H2O Man Feb 2021 #30
I'm giving myself two days to be mad. Nevilledog Feb 2021 #13
Two days works ..... H2O Man Feb 2021 #32
The Hurricane Kid Berwyn Feb 2021 #14
Thank you! H2O Man Feb 2021 #41
Yours is the perfect analogy, my dear H20 Man! CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2021 #15
Thank you! H2O Man Feb 2021 #43
I'm . . . not okay with this coeur_de_lion Feb 2021 #16
Weak??? ShazzieB Feb 2021 #31
They put on a fabulous case coeur_de_lion Feb 2021 #35
This week, I went H2O Man Feb 2021 #44
You're sweet coeur_de_lion Feb 2021 #47
Consequences. H2O Man Feb 2021 #48
Thank you that does help. coeur_de_lion Feb 2021 #51
I want investigations. I want all co-conspirators. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2021 #18
Definitely. H2O Man Feb 2021 #49
Easy ones are being rounded up. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2021 #53
Thank you many times over. Your thoughts are needed here, as some are indeed quite agitated.... Hekate Feb 2021 #19
Thank you! H2O Man Feb 2021 #50
Thank You for the inspiring words. Tommymac Feb 2021 #20
Thanks! H2O Man Feb 2021 #52
Trump will pay for (most) of his crimes, Federal or States. Lock him up. Feb 2021 #21
Big K and R. panader0 Feb 2021 #22
This line is gonna carry me for a bit too Wawannabe Feb 2021 #39
Liberating. panader0 Feb 2021 #40
Brilliant as usual. This week was a great week for Democrats. grantcart Feb 2021 #23
looks like the managers got a knock out and Trump's side dug a ditch and buried themselves housecat Feb 2021 #24
Beautiful H2O Man. I share your assessment. I'm very proud of what the House Managers did this week. Pepsidog Feb 2021 #25
Happy to kick this! mcar Feb 2021 #26
Thank you for the encouraging words, H20 Man! LaMouffette Feb 2021 #27
Yes, I was feeling bad tonight mountain grammy Feb 2021 #28
Thank you dianaredwing Feb 2021 #29
The Hurricane???? JanMichael Feb 2021 #33
Peace man! And thanks for the wisdom. Today KPN Feb 2021 #34
Great Post! ybbor Feb 2021 #36
Well said H2O Man! Gotta keep on digging those holes... FailureToCommunicate Feb 2021 #37
Dude Wawannabe Feb 2021 #38
Thanks for sharing the uplifting words dlk Feb 2021 #42
kick for visibility lamp_shade Feb 2021 #45
Always Fight the Good Fight Martin Eden Feb 2021 #46
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