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Response to Celerity (Reply #34)

Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:31 PM

36. Nobody made such a claim.

You are not the gatekeeper of what is and what isn't legitimate criticism, as much as you try and elevate yourself to this level.
Nobody made such a claim. (Except maybe that strawman over there.)

You also, ironically, do the exact same thing you are accusing me and others of when it comes to politicians in the Dem caucus who you yourself do not like.
This makes zero sense.

We are NOT scapegoating, kneecapping, demonizing, we are pointing out stances and votes and posturing by him that is against basically the entire rest of the Party.
That's exactly what's happening... and it's ridiculous.

One man is NOT bigger than the collective rest of the Party,
Nobody said he was. But reasonable people know exactly how this works. Honestly, I think that efforts like this to BULLY him into submission will only make him dig-in his heels even harder. That doesn't seem to be a smart way to negotiate or find common ground. The old "my way or the highway" philosophy seldom works to our advantage, as we'll all soon find out.

He likely is thwarting the will of the entire rest of the party (including Biden) in some cases (or in others helping lead the thwarting).
His positions are not going to change. He is a very conservative Democrat who represents a VERY red state. I think that people might try thinking of Manchin as a "Republican who happens to caucus with the Democrats". That should make it easier to accept reality... and to be THANKFUL for what we've got.

That will have serious consequences for us as a whole IF he keeps it up.
This is the reality we must live with. None of the whining or handwringing will change it.

Our entire main thrust in the two GA run-offs was 'give us the Senate and we will pass this and this and this, etc etc and all will be far better'
Okay. It's not as though anyone should be shocked or surprised at how Manchin votes. People making those promises knew in advance what he was all about and what the senate would look like. It simply makes no good sense to hold him responsible for promises made by others in Georgia.

There was no 'only if Joe Manchin deems it so' caveat'.
Perhaps there should have been. Lessons learned, eh? It's not that hard to count. But, that's politics, aint' it? Everyone ALREADY knew what the break-down and makeup of the senate would be.

I am immune to your style of posting. Go try with someone else.
It's not about me. Yet, I get a response every time. Every single time. (Interesting, no?)

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