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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 5, 2021, 10:41 AM

31. not playing games at all, and I am not buying what you are spinning at all

Don't play games with me. You're much smarter than you're pretending to be by asking that question.


That is a dodge of my question about WV and how Manchin's blocking helps him there, 4 years from now.

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You said (about the 15 usd ph minimum wage)

Politics is all about compromise and incremental gains. It involves making sacrifices, give-and-take, and finding common ground. The impatient "gotta-have-it-right-now" purity folks are creating more division and doing more harm that Manchin.


Purity test???? LOLOLOL, unless supporting what basically EVERY SINGLE Democrat (Biden and all of the House and Senate) except for Manchin supports is now 'a purity test'. Ridiculous use of the 'purity test' dodgy meme. Also, the 15 usd was always going to to be incrementally phased in, Manchin doesn't even support that.


you said

I'm sorry to be the one to have to break it to ya... but with Manchin, you just have to take the bad with the good. He is who he is. You get what you get. In spite of his flaws, there's a lot of good to be had, and we're in a much better position WITH him than without him.

But, if it makes people feel good to demonize him and kneecap HIS future in the party (which, in-turn, harms Democrats)


What good does it do to perhaps (and you still have not told me how his voting to block Biden's agenda helps him to actually do this) have ONE senate seat retained (and the odds are a coin toss at best, as WV is crazy deep Trumpian red, and there will likely be no one-off Blue Wave in 2024, at least not to the extent of 2018) 4 years from now IF Manchin's actions blow out large chunks of Biden's agenda, parts which ALL (or all but 1 or 2 others out of hundreds of Dems) the rest of the party and our POTUS support?

IF we fail on large fundamental promises and it comes down to Manchin alone being the blocking force, then yes (regardless of you protestations) he is responsible for that. It could well help spell our doom in the upcoming 2022 midterms (the last 2 first midterms for Dem POTUSs have been disasters,1994 and 2010) and it could well hurt Biden's chances in 2024. It is madness to try and spin all that away by using dome dodgy 'purity test' framing about one seat 4 years down the road, AND with no explanation how his blockage even aids him (or helps his constituents).


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. Oh brother! GMAFB, will ya?


Pass, and perhaps you do it.

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