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23. They deny their God, those who reject the means made by men made in the
Sun Jan 31, 2021, 04:44 PM
Jan 2021

They deny their God, those who reject the means made by men made in the image and likeness of their God.
They fail to see the healing grace of wisdom and knowledge in vaccines.

They claim the creation is a gift of the creator and yet reject the cures made available by the minds, hands and resources within that gift.

The same people who will donate their mortal remains to the benefit of others, reject the donations made available to them by the other.

Serious failures of fact, logic and morality lead to seeing and fearing the snake in the grass.
Rational embrace of fact, logic and morality reveals the mistake of projecting a snake upon the reality of the lanyard on the lawn.

As far as I know the vaccine is made of antibodies from those who got Covid. DLCWIdem Jan 2021 #1
It is not made from antibodies Ms. Toad Jan 2021 #33
only the mRNA lapfog_1 Jan 2021 #2
Thank you, thats very helpful. milestogo Jan 2021 #7
mRNA vaccines are not made from stem cells. LisaL Jan 2021 #11
both the Moderna and the Pfizer lapfog_1 Jan 2021 #20
Absolutely false. LisaL Jan 2021 #13
I should have said "mRNA is used to manipulate stem cells" lapfog_1 Jan 2021 #19
Vaccines are not used for that purpose. LisaL Jan 2021 #21
none the less, the press has associated the technology with stem cells lapfog_1 Jan 2021 #22
mRNA vaccines never relied on stem cells. Blue_true Jan 2021 #46
The Pope has already allowed this Miguelito Loveless Jan 2021 #3
It doesn't matter. mRNA vaccines never relied on stem cells. nt Blue_true Jan 2021 #47
But that's just a fact of science Miguelito Loveless Jan 2021 #59
I really am not interested in convincing them. I accept that I am in a moral struggle with them Blue_true Jan 2021 #62
Stem cells were not used in the development or manufacture of the existing vaccines. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2021 #4
That's true for the only two it lists, the Pfizer & the Moderna vaccines, but at least 5 others do Celerity Jan 2021 #15
Those are the only two currently approved for use in the US The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2021 #17
The Johnson & Johnson (likely soon approved in the US) and others do use them in the manufacturing Celerity Jan 2021 #24
If they're OK with the Pope they should be OK with the OP's friend. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2021 #25
Yes, the first two should be fine for the friend of the OP, some of the others, no. Celerity Jan 2021 #27
Most reports I've seen indicate that stem cell lines were used Ms. Toad Jan 2021 #35
Even if no stem cells matt819 Jan 2021 #5
I think so too MustLoveBeagles Jan 2021 #61
Time magazine had a great article on the development of the vaccines. Neither of the two.... EarnestPutz Jan 2021 #6
mrna vaccines Pfizer, Moderna do not use stem cells in production. They do use cells in testing. Pobeka Jan 2021 #8
Not in production - Ms. Toad Jan 2021 #39
The issue is that even if something uses a computer program that mimics Blue_true Jan 2021 #48
Facts matter. Ms. Toad Jan 2021 #58
mRNA vaccines were not designed from anything involving stem cells. Blue_true Jan 2021 #60
You may disagree with whether the distinction matters Ms. Toad Jan 2021 #64
You make a reasonable point. Blue_true Feb 2021 #67
When you're talking about moral beliefs it's a tough question. Ms. Toad Feb 2021 #68
You posted some philosophical points for me to consider. I guess it is a fuzzy Blue_true Feb 2021 #69
I don't remember how close the connection with Regeneron was - Ms. Toad Feb 2021 #70
Abortion opponents protest COVID-19 vaccines' use of fetal cells Celerity Jan 2021 #9
Thank you. milestogo Jan 2021 #12
yw Celerity Jan 2021 #16
Yet, those same people was ok with Trump taking Regeneron and getting it to his pals that got sick. Blue_true Jan 2021 #49
Pfizer and Moderna are not made from stem cells. LisaL Jan 2021 #10
While they are not made from stem cells- Ms. Toad Jan 2021 #41
The fucking Pope got the vaccine ismnotwasm Jan 2021 #14
Yes, but he's a liberal lefty Argentine. JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2021 #42
My guess is Benedict got the vaccine shots. nt Blue_true Jan 2021 #50
Ha! ismnotwasm Jan 2021 #63
Ugh. These people. Squinch Jan 2021 #18
I wish there was a vaccine or cure that made people that took it Blue_true Jan 2021 #52
They deny their God, those who reject the means made by men made in the sanatanadharma Jan 2021 #23
Excellent observation - applies to a lot of things. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2021 #26
As a Warm Deist, a core of my beliefs is than nothing that we can possibly Blue_true Jan 2021 #54
Pope Francis suggests people have moral obligation to take coronavirus vaccine dalton99a Jan 2021 #28
Having a scientist for Pope turned out to be a good thing. nt Hekate Jan 2021 #53
No vaccine no visit northlake9 Jan 2021 #29
same here We have not been in the same room with any of his family since yellowdogintexas Jan 2021 #31
Sometimes people who are just plain scared of needles Mr.Bill Jan 2021 #30
How can someone be covered in tattoes and bs cared of needles? LisaL Jan 2021 #36
I don't know, Mr.Bill Jan 2021 #38
How did they get those tattos? LisaL Jan 2021 #40
Honestly, I think a small percentage of them Mr.Bill Jan 2021 #43
it's her funeral. maxsolomon Jan 2021 #32
I have gotten to the point with those people that even such a blunt assessment Blue_true Jan 2021 #55
there are going to be a % that refuse no matter what. maxsolomon Jan 2021 #65
Ask her BGBD Jan 2021 #34
Great news, more vaccine for someone who hates Kool Aid!!!! winstars Jan 2021 #37
When trump allegedly had COVID... mmbrevo Jan 2021 #44
Yes he was, Regeneron. Blue_true Jan 2021 #56
*sigh* mmbrevo Jan 2021 #57
I believe the only Covid treatment that involves stem cells is the Blue_true Jan 2021 #45
Your friend is an idiot Yeehah Jan 2021 #51
Your response shows your intolerance, insults me, and is totally unhelpful. milestogo Jan 2021 #66
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