Nobody took the South seriously in the 1840s-1850s (Reply #57)

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #18)

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 08:46 PM

57. Nobody took the South seriously in the 1840s-1850s

No, they took them seriously.

Compromise after compromise, they took them seriously. The runaway slave act, the Missouri compromise, bleeding Kansas.*

Every president during those years southerner, had sympathies toward the south, or owned slaves.

The south didn't get their way in 1860, and acted like children. And they've continued to do it for 200 years now.

Now they do it through a surrogate, the Republican party.

Someday we'll have to say enough is enough.

* my source, "The Impending Crisis 1848-1861," David M. Potter. "Free Labor, Free men, Free Soil," Eric Foner

http://www.amazon.com/Impending-Crisis-1848-1861-David-Potter/dp/0061319295
http://www.amazon.com/Free-Soil-Labor-Men-Introductory/dp/0195094972

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81 replies	Author	Time	Post
Secession? Secession! You have got to be kidding me. [View all]	Are_grits_groceries	Oct 2012	OP
"4 Big Reasons, Plus A Bunch Of Smaller Reasons, Why The South Won’t ‘Rise Again’". . .	Journeyman	Oct 2012	#1
Ha!	Are_grits_groceries	Oct 2012	#2
I'd add all that northern tax money that gets redistributed to them.	Historic NY	Oct 2012	#3
considering the first four are among the poorest i have no problem	roguevalley	Oct 2012	#21
I don't think many people on this site have a problem with it.	Mariana	Oct 2012	#31
Thats the point.	Historic NY	Oct 2012	#32
dc is poor?	HiPointDem	Oct 2012	#40
the big scandal of DC is beyond the beautiful buildings are slums filled with poverty.	roguevalley	Oct 2012	#49
I was in shock as an Innocent 17 yr old . n/t	orpupilofnature57	Oct 2012	#52
That's why we won the war , New Yorks wealth alone was	orpupilofnature57	Oct 2012	#53
But there are only 3 Southern states on that list	Art_from_Ark	Oct 2012	#72
Tellingly, "Honey Boo Boo" was on the list. I must agree with that.	Buns_of_Fire	Oct 2012	#5
We don't need your grits.	Pab Sungenis	Oct 2012	#29
Uh, Babydoll	HillWilliam	Oct 2012	#50
I know that.	Pab Sungenis	Oct 2012	#63
Just wait until we have a get-together	HillWilliam	Oct 2012	#74
Texas, take a chance of being kicked out of the NFL, no way.	Downwinder	Oct 2012	#4
I read this book in August	JustAnotherGen	Oct 2012	#6
The "let 'em go" crowd are as big a bunch of dumbfucks as the secessionists.	Bucky	Oct 2012	#10
No	JustAnotherGen	Oct 2012	#20
'Had the Chance'	Are_grits_groceries	Oct 2012	#11
Um	JustAnotherGen	Oct 2012	#19
SELL the South to Canada or Mexico.	ErikJ	Oct 2012	#54
The people who want a fight know nothing about history	malaise	Oct 2012	#7
Most don't know much about holding down a job, either	Bucky	Oct 2012	#9
That's rather a broad brush, don't you think?....	OldDem2012	Oct 2012	#18
Nobody took the South seriously in the 1840s-1850s	Confusious	Oct 2012	#57
What I was trying to say is nobody believed the South would actually secede....	OldDem2012	Oct 2012	#67
The only states who should be talking Secession are the BLUE States	coldwaterintheface	Oct 2012	#8
Viva Cascadia!	Viva_La_Revolution	Oct 2012	#24
Time to start a movement nt	fadedrose	Oct 2012	#27
So the Moon Landings WERE a hoax!	kentauros	Oct 2012	#33
Gee back when the internet was ARPA/DARPA net nothing was in the red states	coldwaterintheface	Oct 2012	#45
I wasn't talking about WHERE these things were done.	kentauros	Oct 2012	#47
We became a SLAVE nation because of the red states at this countries founding	coldwaterintheface	Oct 2012	#48
And you're not paying attention to your own statements.	kentauros	Oct 2012	#56
Well, first off, a breakup isn't going to happen	Confusious	Oct 2012	#60
I know a breakup won't happen,	kentauros	Oct 2012	#61
Maybe you should take a look at this PBS site: Slavery and the Making of America"....	OldDem2012	Oct 2012	#69
Wrong.	cordelia	Oct 2012	#58
Any Particular Reason For Raising This Issue At This Point? (nt)	Paladin	Oct 2012	#12
Because almost every effing week somebody	Are_grits_groceries	Oct 2012	#13
OK, I Made My Choice. (nt)	Paladin	Oct 2012	#14
Ha! Well played. nt	Are_grits_groceries	Oct 2012	#15
Do I hear the StayPuft Marshmellow Man	Fawke Em	Oct 2012	#22
Even during the Civil War there were counties that remained loyal to the Union	vinny9698	Oct 2012	#16
Winston in N.Alabama	Are_grits_groceries	Oct 2012	#17
Knoxville, TN	Fawke Em	Oct 2012	#23
You beat me to it! This time around, i can't se cities like Miami, New Orleans or Atlanta	hedgehog	Oct 2012	#25
Hell, West Virginia became a state during the Civil War because its patriots	coalition_unwilling	Oct 2012	#30
And at least one Union town seceded and joined the south	4th law of robotics	Oct 2012	#35
This message was self-deleted by its author	NoGOPZone	Oct 2012	#81
Lee fought for the south only because his beloved	bluestate10	Oct 2012	#65
Not all soldiers from Union states fought for the Union, either	Art_from_Ark	Oct 2012	#80
NCAA Football and Basketball	get the red out	Oct 2012	#26
There are hard core secessionist in Missouri such as State Senator Brian Nieves.	gordianot	Oct 2012	#28
It's just talk...won't ever happen. n/t	sharkman25	Oct 2012	#34
The only way I could see it happening is with some major crises	4th law of robotics	Oct 2012	#36
If the scenario you lay out happend, all bets are off EVERYWHERE in the U.S. n/t	sharkman25	Oct 2012	#38
I say let 'em see their no government government in action - in a month they'll come crawling back.	Initech	Oct 2012	#37
Yeah, that happened the first time too	nadinbrzezinski	Oct 2012	#39
The Southern states are different than they were in the 1800s.	Are_grits_groceries	Oct 2012	#41
Yeah but I am not talking of the Southern States, you are	nadinbrzezinski	Oct 2012	#42
In some senses we are.	Are_grits_groceries	Oct 2012	#43
I never said it would be	nadinbrzezinski	Oct 2012	#44
I agree with you. nt	bluestate10	Oct 2012	#66
How many posts are you going to make on the subject?	Scootaloo	Oct 2012	#46
Maybe they can stop when this type of ignorance stops.	cordelia	Oct 2012	#59
Aren't you a charmer?	Scootaloo	Oct 2012	#62
As many as I want to or think I need to.	Are_grits_groceries	Oct 2012	#70
Everybody needs a hobby	Scootaloo	Oct 2012	#73
Unlike you, yes I am.	cordelia	Oct 2012	#75
It's a point the OP has made in a few other threads	Scootaloo	Oct 2012	#78
Well if these people are so set on doing it then I will sell my property and move to Maryland	southernyankeebelle	Oct 2012	#51
Good riddance	BainsBane	Oct 2012	#55
I think we will stick together in the end.	hrmjustin	Oct 2012	#64
There is nothing sweeter than the smell of secession	Ter	Oct 2012	#68
You worry too much!	cbrer	Oct 2012	#71
The North?	faith woos science	Oct 2012	#76
Secession? What do you call the Southern States away from the Union?	Raster	Oct 2012	#77
Come to Missouri	RC	Oct 2012	#79

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