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Response to progree (Reply #58)

Sat Jan 9, 2021, 04:46 PM

84. That's a red herring

I could counter with another metric like percapita emissions/percapita gdp, which would show that we produce vastly more goods and services with our emissions vs China et al.

Consumption emissions sounds a bit like the notion of victim blaming. Instead of requiring China et al to install air scrubbers in their factories, let's tell little Johnny he can't have that lego set because he's killing the planet.

Im not sure why this need to be said, but international companies moved production to third world countries in order to enrich themselves further because of the lack of relevant regulations. The consumer DID NOT DO THAT.

Regardless, the planet, oceans, forests and critters don't care about a talmudic analysis of how to properly assign responsibility for pollution, this is one of those times where the simplest approach will be the most efficacious, it's long past time for developing countries to take responsibility for their pollution, and not blame consumers, population differences or whatever else.

Eta:

John Kerry

Mr. President-elect, you've put forward a bold transformative climate plan. But you've also underscored that no country alone can solve this challenge. Even the United States, for all of our industrial strength, is responsible for only 13% of global emissions. To end this crisis, the whole world must come together. You're right to rejoin Paris on day one, and you're right to recognize that Paris alone is not enough," Kerry said at the event, referring to the landmark Paris climate agreement.

"At the global meeting in Glasgow one year from now, all nations must raise ambition together or we will all fail together," he continued. "And failure is not an option."

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