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Autumn

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127. If this issue backfires, it will be Obamas and Axelrods fault.
Sat Oct 6, 2012, 03:51 PM
Oct 2012

Why do you think this should be swept under the rug???

Obama says he and Romney are in agreement on SS and Axelrod said what he said and some how you figure that that some evil asshole put this out there as "red meat bait thrown out to distract us"???

Now maybe someone here can show how exactly how this is "OUR" fault because this issue came up? SS is a lifeline for a lot of us. We would be dead or on the streets without it.

WHO brought this up? The poster for posting about it on a message board? Or Obama at the Debate? Or Axelrod?

The only voice I have in this government is my vote. My one vote.

By the way, this message board was created for Discussion.

Ya this is what we really need at this time on DU awake Oct 2012 #1
I think all he'll do is ann--- Oct 2012 #2
Jeez, at the rate we're going w/age increase, it won't be long before it's 70, 75. Why not 80? nc4bo Oct 2012 #3
Give those mother fers time they will get there. The dems aren't any more honest then the repubs. southernyankeebelle Oct 2012 #60
Raising the retirement age is not acceptable policy but rather a massive effective cut TheKentuckian Oct 2012 #30
Your 4th paragraph ChazII Oct 2012 #181
Excellent! Le Taz Hot Oct 2012 #202
Raising retirement age, and Medicare eligibility age = mass murder n/t eridani Oct 2012 #58
Stalin would be proud. n/t jtuck004 Oct 2012 #76
regardless of your snark, it will kill people. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #106
Who said it is snark? He killed about 3 million, irrc, we have about 80 million jtuck004 Oct 2012 #108
apologies then. i thought it was snark. and in fact, most of the folk who died under stalin HiPointDem Oct 2012 #112
This is extremely dangerous, and even the people who want so desperately to jtuck004 Oct 2012 #115
no, just 'the law'. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #120
To hell with raising the age abelenkpe Oct 2012 #251
"All he'll do is . . . raise the retirement age" OrwellwasRight Oct 2012 #293
of course now is the time. after the election we have no leverage. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #18
Just curious, but what "leverage" do you think you have now?... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #23
'Neither party is going to discuss this topic before the election.' = oh really? and why is that, i HiPointDem Oct 2012 #25
Why don't you ask the candidates? nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #78
I don't have to. There's only one possible answer. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #82
Yes, and I told you what that answer will be, whether we like it or not. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #88
Yes. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #92
Who is running who then? You're argument is we choose masters rather than representatives. TheKentuckian Oct 2012 #36
Yes, I've been a registered Democrat since I was old enough to vote back in 1970... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #75
Democracy is far older than you and yes it seems the truth is a problem for you. TheKentuckian Oct 2012 #356
We can make it politically untenable to cut Social Security. OrwellwasRight Oct 2012 #294
Thank you for a great post that sums it all up. woo me with science Oct 2012 #302
I like it as well Oilwellian Oct 2012 #306
Thanks! OrwellwasRight Oct 2012 #338
Sadly, I thought the name would be less relevant OrwellwasRight Oct 2012 #337
We have less leverage than ever, right now. w4rma Oct 2012 #31
social security is a sideshow to other issues? that's bs. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #37
With 56% of November's electorate age 55 and over? eridani Oct 2012 #59
It is not that SS in not a issue it is that Medicare is a better battle field to fight on awake Oct 2012 #65
Both are important eridani Oct 2012 #66
I am not saying Both are not important awake Oct 2012 #72
We don't have time to wait. The "grand bargain" may be struck within weeks of the election... tokenlib Oct 2012 #91
All the more reason to stop Mitt from being elected awake Oct 2012 #98
We must do both..too many dems are open to a Simpson-Bowle-SHIT" "grand bargain." tokenlib Oct 2012 #103
+1 HiPointDem Oct 2012 #104
bull. what use is medical care if you're homeless? HiPointDem Oct 2012 #100
You have it exactly backwards. hay rick Oct 2012 #243
Aww, tama Oct 2012 #20
^^This^^ kurtzapril4 Oct 2012 #69
Too true Blecht Oct 2012 #241
Thanks, awake; you've got a good sense of proportion an timing. elleng Oct 2012 #29
I see a lot of right wingers lately posting on this board Iliyah Oct 2012 #68
There is no fearmongering involved here, only a reality check. Zalatix Oct 2012 #144
so you don't care that they raise the retirement age because you already are recieving ss? me b zola Oct 2012 #189
Right Welcme to DU! goclark Oct 2012 #32
Thanks guys awake Oct 2012 #73
Welcome. awake! freshwest Oct 2012 #308
I agree, let's not get into attack out of fear mode flamingdem Oct 2012 #43
Like hell we don't know. Raising the FICA cap and setting the initial benefits eridani Oct 2012 #253
Why dont you make a listing of what we may or may not discuss. nm rhett o rick Oct 2012 #52
Yes! I would very much love to see a list of what is forbidden speech. nm kurtzapril4 Oct 2012 #70
What should concern us all woo me with science Oct 2012 #204
Well said. hay rick Oct 2012 #227
exactly. Imagine the "outrage" if Romney is in office pasto76 Oct 2012 #64
If you are one of the "tweakees" to be "tweaked" it is a worry RIGHT NOW!! tokenlib Oct 2012 #86
May I suggest a name change? march starling Oct 2012 #123
No this is not a game awake Oct 2012 #131
No one said anything about not voting OrwellwasRight Oct 2012 #295
Ditto. Not now. We know the philosophies & policies of the 2 parties. We don't need Honeycombe8 Oct 2012 #213
Wrong, defending Social Security strenuously, is a WINNING election tactic and everyone sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #229
I trust Sen Sanders--- fredamae Oct 2012 #4
My thinking is with Axelrod. What will be the balance of the House/Senate starting 2013? Ninga Oct 2012 #5
We are going to get a bi-partisan f*cking, absolutely, no doubt about it. Teamster Jeff Oct 2012 #6
Congress is ultimately responsible for this bigtree Oct 2012 #7
Seriously, what's the point? ProSense Oct 2012 #9
There have been major differences between the parties on Social Security TheKentuckian Oct 2012 #44
We absolutely deserve to know. kentuck Oct 2012 #133
Hold your tongues, knaves! Just send us your tributes! Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #8
You're worried about Obama's plan for Social Security?? Do you know what Romney's REAL plan is? JaneyVee Oct 2012 #10
Ah, but see, the beauty of scaring off Obama voters is that glorious revolution by the workers! freshwest Oct 2012 #309
From the Obama TRUTH TEAM: Comrade_McKenzie Oct 2012 #11
+1 "under no circumstances" will he privatize social security K8-EEE Oct 2012 #13
privatization is a red herring. cuts are the danger. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #19
With Romney + teabaggers we would be starting on the road to "private accounts" a la GWB and FAST K8-EEE Oct 2012 #94
There won't be enough time after the election to get mobilized..the "grand bargain" is coming... tokenlib Oct 2012 #113
Look, you're right. uberblonde Oct 2012 #290
We saved you from privatization, now eat your catfood. hay rick Oct 2012 #245
and 'for now' is the operative phrase. it's a steady process of boiling the frog. for 30 years. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #250
All they need to do is raise the cap, problem solved, yet no one brings that up still_one Oct 2012 #56
Or they can pay back the $1.7 trillion BushCo embezzled from the SS fund. savannah43 Oct 2012 #273
That was actually one of the things the Simpsons Bowles commission said to do. Sirveri Oct 2012 #275
Obama is not to be trusted, which ProSense Oct 2012 #15
What are you saying, Obama is lying? still_one Oct 2012 #57
Obama is good person who may think "a grand bargain" best for the country.. tokenlib Oct 2012 #99
He's a fool if he thinks that. alarimer Oct 2012 #134
No, I'm saying this ProSense Oct 2012 #145
The decisions were made long ago. girl gone mad Oct 2012 #333
Any article that uses the word "consigliere" is immediately suspect, imo frazzled Oct 2012 #12
I'm proud and determined to take no prisoners and go for the jugular on this. TheKentuckian Oct 2012 #77
Because I believe the promise that has been made frazzled Oct 2012 #84
Obviously you missed the administration's clever word game on "cut" versus "slash" woo me with science Oct 2012 #129
Oh, it's you. Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #14
kr. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #16
You people have heard enough about Social Security. Fumesucker Oct 2012 #17
Indeed. woo me with science Oct 2012 #200
recommended quinnox Oct 2012 #21
"stop asking questions and just vote damnit" ProSense Oct 2012 #22
Tama's post #20 said it much more cleverly and quinnox Oct 2012 #24
To me this issue is of no help to our cause awake Oct 2012 #26
what is 'our cause' then? HiPointDem Oct 2012 #27
Our cause is to awake Oct 2012 #33
i am happy to elect democrats that will enact & protect democratic policies. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #38
did someone appoint you as discussion monitor or something? quinnox Oct 2012 #41
why do you always talk using "we" and "our" quinnox Oct 2012 #34
I am sorry if my use of "we" or "our" offends you awake Oct 2012 #49
but...what if other people still want to discuss it? quinnox Oct 2012 #48
ATTENTION, Third Way calendar watchers! woo me with science Oct 2012 #28
Or we can remove the cap on the level of income that SS tax is applied awake Oct 2012 #40
The problem is all the positive comments about "Simpson-Bowle-shit"..they've telegraphed too much... tokenlib Oct 2012 #111
you forgot to throw a "truthy to power!" in there snooper2 Oct 2012 #224
Thank you dflprincess Oct 2012 #238
Busted. n/t rudycantfail Oct 2012 #248
Most excellent n/t Oilwellian Oct 2012 #307
Obama's going after social security again, eh? jberryhill Oct 2012 #35
This time, for sure...nt SidDithers Oct 2012 #74
Surprised he has the time, what with fighting against equality and all jberryhill Oct 2012 #175
He just sucks at it. Robb Oct 2012 #119
LOL. DevonRex Oct 2012 #152
So you're equally sure that Obama doesn't want the Bush tax cuts to expire for the 1%? MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #237
Yes, I am a horrid person who supports an equally horrid candidate jberryhill Oct 2012 #249
You won't get screwed. Current and almost there retirees are a protected class. Luminous Animal Oct 2012 #272
Well I'm the kinda guy who pulls the ladder up behind him jberryhill Oct 2012 #274
I want this issue discussed by Obama BEFORE I vote. 99Forever Oct 2012 #39
Oh? you might want to reread our terms of service awake Oct 2012 #42
I'll highlight... Teamster Jeff Oct 2012 #47
You will be happy to know that I do not see my self as a awake Oct 2012 #53
TOS Xedniw Oct 2012 #276
. blue neen Oct 2012 #51
I didn't ... 99Forever Oct 2012 #89
Well, you basically stated that you may or may not vote for the President. blue neen Oct 2012 #132
Thanks for permission. 99Forever Oct 2012 #137
Who the fuck died and made you Le Taz Hot Oct 2012 #205
Weird. You're the second poster I've seen use the term "binary thinkers". blue neen Oct 2012 #324
I've used the term for decades. Le Taz Hot Oct 2012 #349
Really? lonestarnot Oct 2012 #46
Are you encouraging people not to vote by way of foot stomp? lonestarnot Oct 2012 #50
Do you always put words in other peoples mouths? 99Forever Oct 2012 #93
What about encouraging people to walk and chew gum at the same time? Would that be OK? eridani Oct 2012 #255
N. s. lonestarnot Oct 2012 #292
You must have the archaic notion that your vote belongs to you rather than to a politcian. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #71
Yes I know... 99Forever Oct 2012 #85
I wouldn't CthulhusEvilCousin Oct 2012 #95
I want to hear it directly... 99Forever Oct 2012 #102
His payroll tax "holiday" has harmed it. n/t dflprincess Oct 2012 #239
LOL. Please VOTE FOR ROMNEY.. seriously. Because I think THEIR plans are really awesome. nt progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #118
I've never said I would ... 99Forever Oct 2012 #136
You did say that you might not vote for the President. blue neen Oct 2012 #171
"leave the top of the ticket blank " NCTraveler Oct 2012 #315
Voting. For President Obama. It's fun. blue neen Oct 2012 #323
No it is not. I fully agree. nt NCTraveler Oct 2012 #325
Well...it won't be. So keep wishing. randome Oct 2012 #172
You misplaced this steaming pile. n/t 99Forever Oct 2012 #188
K & R! lonestarnot Oct 2012 #45
If Obama does anything with social security, it will benefit us...not hurt us. If Rob-me gets hold judesedit Oct 2012 #54
Well, like Obama said in the debate... Oilwellian Oct 2012 #55
I think that is a discussion that belongs to the American people Autumn Oct 2012 #61
Yeah, Bernie is the best--may he be blessed with great health and a long life!! tokenlib Oct 2012 #116
There is probably going to be an attempt to fuck with Social Security regardless of the election tularetom Oct 2012 #62
We drown in bullshit propaganda, lies, and deceptions. woo me with science Oct 2012 #63
You drown DU in propaganda, lies, and deception emulatorloo Oct 2012 #67
Perhaps the problem lies with our President. Autumn Oct 2012 #79
Did you think that maybe Obama was baiting Romoney awake Oct 2012 #83
I don't fucking play games and have no use for that shit. If you are posting that for Obama Autumn Oct 2012 #97
Was he "baiting Romney" when... Oilwellian Oct 2012 #101
Woo and Goldstein have been pushing this bullshit "secret plan" emulatorloo Oct 2012 #138
Read what Axelrod said and re watch the debate and hear what Autumn Oct 2012 #142
The problem is Woo NEVER goes after Republican in his posts emulatorloo Oct 2012 #146
Look. We are intelligent liberals. We know republicans. Autumn Oct 2012 #155
You are right, there is no need to fight emulatorloo Oct 2012 #167
I think we are all a little tired and a little touchy. Autumn Oct 2012 #173
. . . emulatorloo Oct 2012 #174
This exactly. Bobbie Jo Oct 2012 #87
What about Obama's Grand Bargain... Oilwellian Oct 2012 #105
No, that was a bluff to EXPOSE BOEHNER was not serious about deficit reduction. emulatorloo Oct 2012 #149
A bluff? Really? What are you basing that opinion on? Oilwellian Oct 2012 #209
Thank you. I am sick to death of those who are willing to put blinders on until it is way too sabrina 1 Oct 2012 #353
Name the "propaganda, lies and deception" Le Taz Hot Oct 2012 #208
+100000 dionysus Oct 2012 #320
This is what we do after the election.. Larkspur Oct 2012 #80
"I’ll tell you what, when you get elected to the United States Senate and sit at that table" Axelrod jtuck004 Oct 2012 #81
Nice awake Oct 2012 #90
You think killing millions of seniors is a prize? What a pathetic, ill-thought out opinion. jtuck004 Oct 2012 #96
No awake Oct 2012 #107
Who is the enemy when we are sending $40 billion a month to wealthy people so their jtuck004 Oct 2012 #148
Beautiful, important post. Thank you. woo me with science Oct 2012 #201
An Excellent Post...! Thank you....because that fills in the details about Bailing out the Banks KoKo Oct 2012 #316
It really bothers me. People are losing their homes, seniors were told their equity would jtuck004 Oct 2012 #334
Nice post from you about our Economy and Stock Market...and how much we don't know..and KoKo Oct 2012 #339
It is the responsibility of the people in a democracy to hold public servants accountable. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #151
Axelrod is the one you should "admonish"..for sounding like "Willard" with his "quiet room" comment. tokenlib Oct 2012 #124
THANK YOU. This should be the response by every citizen who is *EVER* woo me with science Oct 2012 #121
Uh huh. AtomicKitten Oct 2012 #109
awesome post arely staircase Oct 2012 #110
56 & over = a majority of the electorate. SS is an important issue; I don't understand why HiPointDem Oct 2012 #114
it is a very important issue to me - one of the main reasons i am a democrat and an obama arely staircase Oct 2012 #128
Then I think we should be able to discuss it. HiPointDem Oct 2012 #222
I'm sorry that you think Obama's White House Senior Adviser sucks. Autumn Oct 2012 #117
here is the truth - and it bothers me not one bit. arely staircase Oct 2012 #130
Obama and the Democrats need to CLEARLY be pro social security. Autumn Oct 2012 #139
well, they are arely staircase Oct 2012 #298
The problem might be solved in your mind Autumn Oct 2012 #299
please, by all means continue to worry over non-existent things. here in the reality based community arely staircase Oct 2012 #350
Well bless your heart arely. It's good you feel so positive about things. Autumn Oct 2012 #354
positive? hell i am fired up! arely staircase Oct 2012 #355
I can not help but think that this issue will backfire awake Oct 2012 #122
If this issue backfires, it will be Obamas and Axelrods fault. Autumn Oct 2012 #127
Election night, DU 2004. The Great Reveal emulatorloo Oct 2012 #140
I see some at this time that are masked very poorly Autumn Oct 2012 #143
Sorry no - that's not how it works. "Pot Stirrers" emulatorloo Oct 2012 #150
Okay. So, Axelrods words are projecting republican policies onto Democrats. Autumn Oct 2012 #163
He said in the debate he had a version of Simpson-Bowles in front of congress. I wonder if this is dkf Oct 2012 #125
When I read the piece here about Peter G. Peterson, I finally understood. LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #126
Authoritarians attempt to breed passivity in those they control. woo me with science Oct 2012 #135
What do you propose? LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #141
"If I have to take half a loaf or none, I'll take the half." woo me with science Oct 2012 #154
NOT BEING PASSIVE!!! LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #158
Ah, the Third Way bids for passivity. Textbook. woo me with science Oct 2012 #177
Lot of words and no substance. LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #180
Voting is not enough all by itself anymore, and voting is absolutely NOT the only voice we have. woo me with science Oct 2012 #183
Just a critique. LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #184
If this weren't such familiar, textbook spin, woo me with science Oct 2012 #185
"There is no alternative" tama Oct 2012 #263
and the alternative is much MUCH FUCKING WORSE, so howzabout we stop enabling it? nt LaydeeBug Oct 2012 #147
It is the reponsibility of the people in a democracy to hold public servants accountable. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #153
Yes and if your elected "servant" is not elected or reelected awake Oct 2012 #156
Obama is the public servant in question at this time. Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2012 #194
Maybe you and Woo can provide me a list of Democrats in the House and Senate emulatorloo Oct 2012 #157
Well, let's start with the Senators who didn't sign the letter opposing Soc Sec cuts.... tokenlib Oct 2012 #160
And yet we have a problem when Republicans take the 'Norquist' pledge. randome Oct 2012 #162
At least we know where the Norquest pledge signers stand--they make better targets.. tokenlib Oct 2012 #165
Not signing something is evidence of nothing. randome Oct 2012 #170
Right. Because a 'discussion' with 300 million people will certainly clear things up. randome Oct 2012 #159
Actually, no, tama Oct 2012 #264
You've cried wolf so many times on SS we're laughing DevonRex Oct 2012 #161
bless their little hearts, they try so, so hard... dionysus Oct 2012 #321
I'd love one!! DevonRex Oct 2012 #327
The campaign cleaned up the confusion last night kentuck Oct 2012 #164
They cleaned it up with holes large enough to drive a "Simpson-Bowles" bannered semi through.... tokenlib Oct 2012 #168
That is not a cleanup. Those words are disturbing as hell. woo me with science Oct 2012 #179
The President's "consigliere"? lolz JNelson6563 Oct 2012 #166
Thanks Julie..now this Cha Oct 2012 #169
Instead of insulting those who raise concerns--a little respect for their positions would be welcome tokenlib Oct 2012 #176
So I'll put you down as "OK with the Godfather comparison." DevonRex Oct 2012 #195
No I don't get it... tokenlib Oct 2012 #203
The term is in the link. Credibility lost. Nt DevonRex Oct 2012 #220
You seem so eager to just diss me... tokenlib Oct 2012 #223
He's right, he could propose the most enlightened plan in the world Warpy Oct 2012 #178
I enjoy the new "transparency" system at DU. mzmolly Oct 2012 #182
Is this supposed to be some bizarre version of "Are you now or have you ever been..."? woo me with science Oct 2012 #186
I have a problem with people here not supporting the Democratic mzmolly Oct 2012 #187
Oh kewl! 99Forever Oct 2012 #190
No. Just the reminder police. This IS a discussion board for those supportive of Democrats mzmolly Oct 2012 #193
Good bye. 99Forever Oct 2012 #196
Cheerio. mzmolly Oct 2012 #198
There is voting for Democrats period. And then there is voting for Democrats comma. eridani Oct 2012 #258
It's pretty clear what the DU TOS says - mzmolly Oct 2012 #284
You can have your lockstep.. girl gone mad Oct 2012 #335
DU has been a "viable discussion board" mzmolly Oct 2012 #336
Well, that was ugly beyond words. woo me with science Oct 2012 #191
Oh. mzmolly Oct 2012 #192
No she should not. Transparency is here for a DevonRex Oct 2012 #197
Exactly. n/t FSogol Oct 2012 #199
Thank you DevonRex. mzmolly Oct 2012 #232
Perhaps you don't get it tama Oct 2012 #265
Actually it's how this board works. mzmolly Oct 2012 #283
Actually not tama Oct 2012 #287
Skinner has clarified his position on numerous occasions. I quoted him, specifically in my sig line. mzmolly Oct 2012 #289
Don't worry, I will carry on tama Oct 2012 #291
You can toss out laughable analogies about abuse of authority if you wish. mzmolly Oct 2012 #296
My question is more general tama Oct 2012 #297
This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Oct 2012 #301
Politics is "us against them." mzmolly Oct 2012 #303
I'm sorry you see it that way. tama Oct 2012 #305
When we vote on Novemeber 6th, it's for Obama or Romney. mzmolly Oct 2012 #329
In that sense tama Oct 2012 #331
I suggest finding a discussion board that isn't so mzmolly Oct 2012 #332
I love you woo, but Cherchez la Femme Oct 2012 #211
Expecting, and voicing the expectation, that Democrats will not attack Social Security benefits woo me with science Oct 2012 #217
Oh, I completely agree Cherchez la Femme Oct 2012 #219
Define purity in terms of electoral outcome. mzmolly Oct 2012 #233
Ah, the Electoral Outcome triteness... Cherchez la Femme Oct 2012 #236
Romney winning is trite? mzmolly Oct 2012 #285
"...list?" What is this "list?" "Please be careful" you warn and then mention "purity." KoKo Oct 2012 #317
It's a great feature NoGOPZone Oct 2012 #216
Tis mzmolly Oct 2012 #218
This is one of the most disgusting things... Oilwellian Oct 2012 #221
A high complement, considering the source. mzmolly Oct 2012 #230
Damn, you really let your authoritarian flag fly quinnox Oct 2012 #225
Ha ha ha ha ha. mzmolly Oct 2012 #228
Thanks for the opportunity tama Oct 2012 #266
Whatever the F mzmolly Oct 2012 #282
Wow! That was very enlightning! MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #244
FDR is dead. mzmolly Oct 2012 #286
I personally do not like that statement. I want to know IF I have to work until I'm 70 or 80. diabeticman Oct 2012 #206
I wouldn't want Obama to veto any bill that extends retirement age. bluestate10 Oct 2012 #234
And how bloody convenient it is that people get jobs right out of school and stay eridani Oct 2012 #260
This should explain it all....don't worry! ann--- Oct 2012 #207
K & R Le Taz Hot Oct 2012 #210
So how about you join in giving him a House and Senate Skidmore Oct 2012 #212
I know their plan. porphyrian Oct 2012 #214
remember woo: 'In times like these people have to watch what they say and watch what they do'. KG Oct 2012 #215
more like, "don't be a douchebag and campaign against dems at the end of a presidential campaign" dionysus Oct 2012 #347
The plans are exactly what they have always been.. and-justice-for-all Oct 2012 #226
"...and I will not believe otherwise." rudycantfail Oct 2012 #246
A chained CPI and hike in the retirement age, minimum. MadHound Oct 2012 #231
Rep. Conyers: Obama Demanded Social Security Cuts--Not GOP MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #235
here's the thing shanti Oct 2012 #240
For 20 years we've been accepting Democrats behaving very badly MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #242
Fourth way? nt hay rick Oct 2012 #256
"i plan to leave it alone now and hammer obama after he gets elected" rudycantfail Oct 2012 #247
Glad there are still some of us FDR/New Deal democrats who aren't just going to "go along" with cuts tokenlib Oct 2012 #259
That looks ProSense Oct 2012 #271
Is it less true today then before? nt MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #288
I HEAR YOU WOO ME Skittles Oct 2012 #252
:) woo me with science Oct 2012 #343
Good thread. I think SS needs to he debated. Rather have debate with Obama Hoyt Oct 2012 #254
Could you (and everyone on this thread who does so) quit using bullshit terminology like eridani Oct 2012 #261
As an eventual "tweakee", your presentation is absolutely where we should stand.. tokenlib Oct 2012 #262
As a current tweakee, I'd like the discussion. I also like increased FICA cap and increased benefits Hoyt Oct 2012 #270
Unfortunately "simpleton" approaches and trying to put everything into simple boxes/questions Hoyt Oct 2012 #269
So, how do you decide who "certain people" are? eridani Oct 2012 #280
I am elderly, but I'm willing to discuss ways of improving Hoyt Oct 2012 #300
Chained CPI dosn't improve jackshit for anyone eridani Oct 2012 #310
I really don't care to waste my time trying to explain it to you. You won't get it. Hoyt Oct 2012 #311
I get that you think getting slowly poorer with each advancing year is wonderful for old folks eridani Oct 2012 #312
I don't think I'll get slowly "poorer" from chained-cpi. I do think we'll get poorer if we don't Hoyt Oct 2012 #313
Helping the 1% fuck over the 99% doesn't bring any kind of change I want eridani Oct 2012 #340
I will be depending on SS for damn near all my retirement income, but that means I'm dependent on Hoyt Oct 2012 #342
There is a SocSec Trust Fund in surplus to the tune of a couple of trillion, invested in T-bills eridani Oct 2012 #346
Great Points...! Hope folks will read as this thread is getting longer... KoKo Oct 2012 #318
Raise the damn cap! TexasBushwhacker Oct 2012 #257
I agree with this proposal but if we bring it up now awake Oct 2012 #268
Rmoney's campaign refuses to tell voters that he will get rid of the home mfcorey1 Oct 2012 #267
How President Obama and Mitt Romney compare on preserving Social Security for America’s seniors ProSense Oct 2012 #277
Obama loved and respected his grandparents and his mother - hedgehog Oct 2012 #278
His Mother had to battle insurance companies as she was dying from cancer. Autumn Oct 2012 #279
She did have health insurance. Beacool Oct 2012 #314
If enough Dems get elected.. stillcool Oct 2012 #281
Never liked Axeltod, nor Plouffe for that matter. Beacool Oct 2012 #304
WHOAAAA.. now.. where have YOU been young lady? carousing, i assume... dionysus Oct 2012 #322
Banky!!!! Beacool Oct 2012 #328
you know i wouldn't miss out on your appearances, however rare... dionysus Oct 2012 #344
It's going OK. Beacool Oct 2012 #345
Well...they are good at what they do as Political Operatives...BUT..are they good for the Rest of Us KoKo Oct 2012 #341
then take your bullshit to the old elm tree where it belongs. nt. dionysus Oct 2012 #319
What a thoughtful response! MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #351
+1 n/t progree Oct 2012 #352
He needs a Democratic Senate. This is one way to say "make it so, or bad things CAN happen", a.k.a.. patrice Oct 2012 #326
The more you make what happens all about the top/king/daddy/power/authority & NOT about us the more patrice Oct 2012 #330
Meh... Javaman Oct 2012 #348
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