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Chico Man

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63. I'll be honest

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Sat Oct 6, 2012, 03:46 PM

Oct 2012

Obama won the debate. The media spin is a reflection of the moon.

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Seeing numerous DUers try to spin the debate [View all] cali Oct 2012 OP

Amen ;-) Sekhmets Daughter Oct 2012 #1

kick piratefish08 Oct 2012 #2

Cali, CatWoman Oct 2012 #3

That's your opinion. Unfortunately, that's not the general takeaway. cali Oct 2012 #5

yes, it is my opinion CatWoman Oct 2012 #18

I think the "general takeaway" Jackpine Radical Oct 2012 #155

Group Think CthulhusEvilCousin Oct 2012 #31

I was driving in my car all alone listening on the radio -- group think played no part gateley Oct 2012 #49

I, too, watched it alone Glitterati Oct 2012 #92

Agree. I think we were just all stunned that Romney did a total 180 and it wasn't gateley Oct 2012 #101

Exactly Glitterati Oct 2012 #134

Also, chervilant Oct 2012 #154

Excellent point. chervilant Oct 2012 #143

Yeah, he could have been a tad more assertive, I think. AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #119

My takeaway was that Romney seemed to be a tweaked out bully obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #96

I agree easttexaslefty Oct 2012 #144

That was my thought too. zeemike Oct 2012 #139

Me too landolfi Oct 2012 #159

I have your back librarylu Oct 2012 #177

And what you posted is YOUR opinion, cali. ywcachieve Oct 2012 #58

Thank you. This is such a stupid post. Solomon Oct 2012 #78

I agree with you Cali,; Couldn't watch MSNBC, and then today, an epiphany Astazia Oct 2012 #181

Review the closing arguments...it's obvious who prepared better. dkf Oct 2012 #9

One commentator said complacency is a classic error for an incumbent, and with gateley Oct 2012 #65

Apparently Romney pulled the same thing on Shannon O'Brien for the governorship. dkf Oct 2012 #82

Agree, and I'm sure they ALL learned from this blindsiding (if that's a word). gateley Oct 2012 #87

mine too... DonRedwood Oct 2012 #43

+1 Cali_Democrat Oct 2012 #56

+1 obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #94

Plus one here CatWoman chknltl Oct 2012 #148

Completely agree with you. My first impression was Obama did a good job and that hasn't Raine Oct 2012 #161

Maybe it was the altitude after all. dkf Oct 2012 #4

I agree....and even worse... vi5 Oct 2012 #6

You can't let it go, can you? MjolnirTime Oct 2012 #7

Depends on what you call spin.. Permanut Oct 2012 #8

This OP sure smells like some pretty fetid "spin" IMO. nt MADem Oct 2012 #53

I smell it too. Cobalt Violet Oct 2012 #111

You said the same thing about my posts... Vietnameravet Oct 2012 #122

Oh, you mean the "Mitt Won" and "What is wrong with Democrats" posts you slapped up? Yeah, I did. MADem Oct 2012 #173

As well as totally breaking the debate rules obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #98

Totally Agree... haikugal Oct 2012 #10

How is it possible for a guy who lies his ass off to be declared the winner of anything?.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #11

I guess you never played poker. Starboard Tack Oct 2012 #46

Why not? treestar Oct 2012 #12

Is it spin to say it was a good thing not to bring up the 47%? speedoo Oct 2012 #13

You mean it's not possible that other DU'ers MAY ACTUALLY DISAGREE WITH YOU? I think he did well. KittyWampus Oct 2012 #14

Not me. The bounce in the polls that Mitt is getting and virtually all the pundits from cali Oct 2012 #20

Which polls? LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #129

What bounce? I saw Obama up one point BEFORE the jobs report came out. Duh? Yeah--DUH. nt MADem Oct 2012 #174

I'd say, personally, to learn from failure you have to look at it realistically bhikkhu Oct 2012 #15

where did you read that? woolldog Oct 2012 #130

From Politico: bhikkhu Oct 2012 #151

Thank you! woolldog Oct 2012 #164

I sincerely wish Glitterati Oct 2012 #136

I'm sorry you think unhinged lying is winning. savalez Oct 2012 #16

Yes, in this case unhinged lying and a demeanor I found overbearing and smarmy won the day. cali Oct 2012 #21

see #48 savalez Oct 2012 #50

Pres. Obama won with facts. ywcachieve Oct 2012 #66

Please. H2O Man Oct 2012 #26

I meant to say savalez Oct 2012 #48

I suspect that H2O Man Oct 2012 #110

LOL! So, by your definition LuvLoogie Oct 2012 #100

Silly. H2O Man Oct 2012 #106

No! I'm right and you're wrong! LiberalAndProud Oct 2012 #17

at first I was upset that Stenchy was getting away with his little show.... BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2012 #41

Amen. Indpndnt Oct 2012 #132

It wasn't a trap or manipulation or 3-d chess on Obama's part. ananda Oct 2012 #19

Hear, hear! defacto7 Oct 2012 #124

There is no doubt Obama was not at his best, to say the least, Sugarcoated Oct 2012 #22

And seeing you post shit like this.. trumad Oct 2012 #23

Am I the only one who thinks THEY BOTH SUCKED?? K8-EEE Oct 2012 #24

LOL... you made me laugh..... your title caught me off guard. ywcachieve Oct 2012 #44

The hysterical "the election is over!" and similar chicken-little cries have been just as bad. NYC Liberal Oct 2012 #25

Exactly Fgiriun Oct 2012 #27

Time to move on. Jack Sprat Oct 2012 #28

I understand the kind of Chicken Little, anxiety tail-spin stuff... gulliver Oct 2012 #29

gulliver, great remarks. ywcachieve Oct 2012 #52

"Often you don't lose until you admit you lost... Chorophyll Oct 2012 #95

THIS times 1,000! nt. druidity33 Oct 2012 #104

You are exactly right brush Oct 2012 #149

+1! uponit7771 Oct 2012 #185

How many attack ads did Romney get out of this? Kalidurga Oct 2012 #30

btw, I counted twelve that the Obama campaign reeled off just YESTERDAY bigtree Oct 2012 #35

^^^This Reply Is Full Of WIN!^^^ Turborama Oct 2012 #169

I'll tell you what this reminds me of bigtree Oct 2012 #32

A) that's not true. I certainly have not posted a myriad of threads belittling DUers cali Oct 2012 #55

I'm sure you don't think you're belittling DUers on this bigtree Oct 2012 #186

Romney obviously won the style game by a substantial margin. However, tarheelsunc Oct 2012 #33

Because it wasn't the reality I experienced frazzled Oct 2012 #34

In our media-driven world, Big Blue Marble Oct 2012 #40

I don't think I was being biased by "my" candidate frazzled Oct 2012 #45

I absolutely agree with you. Big Blue Marble Oct 2012 #93

Completely agree. Denial doesn't help, that's why alsame Oct 2012 #36

That was a great reminder. Hyper_Eye Oct 2012 #125

The denial here is disturbing. Big Blue Marble Oct 2012 #37

You're just so wrong. MADem Oct 2012 #51

Well we had better do something different. Big Blue Marble Oct 2012 #61

No we do not need to do anything "different." Nothing needs to be "shifted back." MADem Oct 2012 #105

100% this obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #112

Big Bird won that debate. rMoney "won" a first impression that was not lasting, and that he will MADem Oct 2012 #175

I am glad you are not on the President's re-election team. Big Blue Marble Oct 2012 #162

I've done plenty to elect Dems to national office, and I'm glad you're not "advising" Obama. MADem Oct 2012 #172

It is becoming clear that you are someone who must have the last wordl Big Blue Marble Oct 2012 #180

It most certainly takes one to know one! MADem Oct 2012 #182

So denial means NOT agreeing with YOU? progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #59

Denial means avoiding stepping outside of your own limited perception Big Blue Marble Oct 2012 #64

Exactly obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #114

Seeing numerous posts accepting the spewed Romney debate lies HipChick Oct 2012 #38

something has been bothering me... Whisp Oct 2012 #39

Well said! Thanks! nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #42

the disturbing message here is that Lies Work on democrats too. Whisp Oct 2012 #74

Thank You Thank You Thank You obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #115

whisp that has really been bothering me too brightertomorrow Oct 2012 #126

Big Bird Won--Jim Lehrer LOST. That's the bottom line. No spin. MADem Oct 2012 #47

+1M Indpndnt Oct 2012 #79

It's why those same idiot "talking heads" that claimed a rMoney win have spent the last three days MADem Oct 2012 #85

The Big Bird.Sesame Street thing is STILL all over twitter obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #116

All over Youtube, too, with little kids crying and begging Sesame Street be spared. Indpndnt Oct 2012 #121

People who don't use social media don't get its influence obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #123

True. At least the MSM is reporting on the Big Bird phenomena. Indpndnt Oct 2012 #127

yep. Blue_Roses Oct 2012 #183

YOUR opinion, and you're entitled to it. I frankly know from my friends that Romney came off cokedup progressivebydesign Oct 2012 #54

I feel the Obama campaign is dealing with the reality of it. blue neen Oct 2012 #57

that's good, you call people here freepers CreekDog Oct 2012 #60

I agree. Not one of his high points. renie408 Oct 2012 #62

I'll be honest Chico Man Oct 2012 #63

I'd say the debate didn't hurt President Obama very much. backscatter712 Oct 2012 #67

I'd say he has lost electoral college votes and 3 pts of national support, so I would disagree. renie408 Oct 2012 #76

How long is that going to last? backscatter712 Oct 2012 #113

I really hope you are right. renie408 Oct 2012 #135

+1 gateley Oct 2012 #68

i don't see anyone saying what you are claiming, but it was smart of him not to bring up the 47 JI7 Oct 2012 #69

Despite whether Obama's showing was a tactical plan or a flop meadowlark5 Oct 2012 #70

Strange thing -- most people who didn't listen to any of the commentary thought Obama did fine. byronius Oct 2012 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author 7worldtrade Oct 2012 #72

The debate was hardly Obama's shining moment etherealtruth Oct 2012 #73

You're wrong. Politics means supporting your party on stuff like this debate. Do you think the repub craigmatic Oct 2012 #75

Reuters Ipsos poll holds steady - good news in poll out just now 7worldtrade Oct 2012 #77

Your opinion railsback Oct 2012 #80

Pres too busy for bs. Mitt busy planning lies, ways to cheat, per usual. Drugs came in handy too judesedit Oct 2012 #81

I don't think he did great, but the matter of who won is subjective Bjorn Against Oct 2012 #83

i understand that the president was lackluster barbtries Oct 2012 #84

Letting Mitt Be Mitt! SCVDem Oct 2012 #86

Looking forward to full tilt Biden PlanetBev Oct 2012 #91

Oh boy, so am I! Glitterati Oct 2012 #99

I would love for Biden to make a marathon message obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #118

One definate thing Obama needs to avoid the next debate PlanetBev Oct 2012 #88

More spin. Or is it only spin when someone else says it. Fact: there are a variety of patrice Oct 2012 #89

I usually do not agree with you on anything, but you are correct on this. The DU needs a reality.... Logical Oct 2012 #90

Oh please. You love to go negative. JNelson6563 Oct 2012 #97

Doesn't require much ProSense Oct 2012 #102

Didn't do well in the face of pathological LYING? I disagree. CakeGrrl Oct 2012 #103

we must be seeing different forums becaus I see critical threads grantcart Oct 2012 #107

Obama himself reviewed his performance and says he didn't realize at the time how badly he did. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2012 #108

I have no idea whether he was setting a trap or not, Blue_In_AK Oct 2012 #109

Obama could have done a little better, I think, but you can't deny one thing: AverageJoe90 Oct 2012 #117

Just because you have an opinion of the debate, doesn't mean everyone who doesn't share it is wrong. -Steph- Oct 2012 #120

No need to rub it in. hauweg Oct 2012 #128

Totally agree. laundry_queen Oct 2012 #131

Everybody has one .... after some review and introspection your opinion is becoming MindMover Oct 2012 #133

Is this what they teach in high school debate classes these days? mechtech Oct 2012 #137

Pretty much all debates are won or lost in the post-debate spin Denzil_DC Oct 2012 #138

Your view is that you can distinguish "spin" from "reality" rock Oct 2012 #140

Drops in. Finger wags. Never returns. lunatica Oct 2012 #141

Now, now rock Oct 2012 #145

If you like having a new asshole drilled into you I would agree lunatica Oct 2012 #153

Speak for yourself. n/t mattclearing Oct 2012 #187

Romney was like a brat stealing fruit. sevenseas Oct 2012 #142

I definitely believe that President Obama's soft response was deliberate! hue Oct 2012 #146

He lost the debate but won the spin. justiceischeap Oct 2012 #147

I am among those who don't believe lying, with a frenzy is a debate win. mzmolly Oct 2012 #150

Its a win if you can get away with it,,and that night Romney did.. Vietnameravet Oct 2012 #158

Unfortunate statement regarding our media and their failure to mzmolly Oct 2012 #166

Disappointed in our side brush Oct 2012 #152

You must have been watching a different Tweety, Rachael and Big Ed.. Vietnameravet Oct 2012 #157

It's just theatre, PDJane Oct 2012 #156

How about this Vietnameravet Oct 2012 #160

well heaven05 Oct 2012 #163

People have different views DisabledAmerican Oct 2012 #165

Alert FAIL. L0oniX Oct 2012 #167

I LOVE the advice to take your pet for a walk Skittles Oct 2012 #184

agreed. and I'm more worried than you are. I dot know if he can get back up to a 10 point robinlynne Oct 2012 #168

I agree with everything you posted. Couldn't Even watch the news... Astazia Oct 2012 #170

"Shit Just Got Real." NYC_SKP Oct 2012 #171

I absolutely agree Skittles Oct 2012 #176

Sorry but ncav53 Oct 2012 #178

+1 doc03 Oct 2012 #179

The best thing Rmoney got from that debate "win" was talking heads proclaiming him the "winner" D23MIURG23 Oct 2012 #188

I don't view debates/campaigns dog_lovin_dem Oct 2012 #189