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In reply to the discussion: Obama campaign REFUSES to disclose plans on Social Security, says discussion belongs with senators [View all]frazzled
(18,402 posts)84. Because I believe the promise that has been made
President Obama will under no circumstances agree to put your retirement at risk by privatizing Social Security, and he will reject any plan that slashes Social Security benefits. Because Romney opposes any effort to raise a single penny in new revenue, his Social Security plan is forced to rely solely on big benefit cuts to maintain solvency analysis of a similar plan showed current workers would see cuts of up to 40 percent that would badly hurt their financial security.
There will be some minor, non-painful adjustments to work out in the next several years, nothing big. But I don't believe in crying "The sky is falling!" until the appropriate time. The posting of Sirota's article is meant to depress support for the president in advance of any meaningful Congressional or presidential action: and that's a very negative thing to do. Because if President Romney gets his hands on Social Security, it won't be minor at all.
Why do you want to go jugular on the basis of such an innocuous, 4-weeks-from-the-election statement? I don't blame them for wanting to keep away from any complex policy discussions right now: the Republicans are very good at twisting everything, as you can see from the "716B cuts to Medicare" bullshit.
Oh yes, and because Sirota is a hack political operative who uses exactly these kinds of theatrical scare tactics. Fall for it if you like.
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woo me with science
Oct 2012
OP
Jeez, at the rate we're going w/age increase, it won't be long before it's 70, 75. Why not 80?
nc4bo
Oct 2012
#3
Give those mother fers time they will get there. The dems aren't any more honest then the repubs.
southernyankeebelle
Oct 2012
#60
Raising the retirement age is not acceptable policy but rather a massive effective cut
TheKentuckian
Oct 2012
#30
Who said it is snark? He killed about 3 million, irrc, we have about 80 million
jtuck004
Oct 2012
#108
apologies then. i thought it was snark. and in fact, most of the folk who died under stalin
HiPointDem
Oct 2012
#112
'Neither party is going to discuss this topic before the election.' = oh really? and why is that, i
HiPointDem
Oct 2012
#25
Yes, and I told you what that answer will be, whether we like it or not. nt.
OldDem2012
Oct 2012
#88
Who is running who then? You're argument is we choose masters rather than representatives.
TheKentuckian
Oct 2012
#36
Yes, I've been a registered Democrat since I was old enough to vote back in 1970...
OldDem2012
Oct 2012
#75
Democracy is far older than you and yes it seems the truth is a problem for you.
TheKentuckian
Oct 2012
#356
It is not that SS in not a issue it is that Medicare is a better battle field to fight on
awake
Oct 2012
#65
We don't have time to wait. The "grand bargain" may be struck within weeks of the election...
tokenlib
Oct 2012
#91
We must do both..too many dems are open to a Simpson-Bowle-SHIT" "grand bargain."
tokenlib
Oct 2012
#103
so you don't care that they raise the retirement age because you already are recieving ss?
me b zola
Oct 2012
#189
Like hell we don't know. Raising the FICA cap and setting the initial benefits
eridani
Oct 2012
#253
Ditto. Not now. We know the philosophies & policies of the 2 parties. We don't need
Honeycombe8
Oct 2012
#213
Wrong, defending Social Security strenuously, is a WINNING election tactic and everyone
sabrina 1
Oct 2012
#229
My thinking is with Axelrod. What will be the balance of the House/Senate starting 2013?
Ninga
Oct 2012
#5
You're worried about Obama's plan for Social Security?? Do you know what Romney's REAL plan is?
JaneyVee
Oct 2012
#10
Ah, but see, the beauty of scaring off Obama voters is that glorious revolution by the workers!
freshwest
Oct 2012
#309
With Romney + teabaggers we would be starting on the road to "private accounts" a la GWB and FAST
K8-EEE
Oct 2012
#94
There won't be enough time after the election to get mobilized..the "grand bargain" is coming...
tokenlib
Oct 2012
#113
and 'for now' is the operative phrase. it's a steady process of boiling the frog. for 30 years.
HiPointDem
Oct 2012
#250
All they need to do is raise the cap, problem solved, yet no one brings that up
still_one
Oct 2012
#56
That was actually one of the things the Simpsons Bowles commission said to do.
Sirveri
Oct 2012
#275
I'm proud and determined to take no prisoners and go for the jugular on this.
TheKentuckian
Oct 2012
#77
Obviously you missed the administration's clever word game on "cut" versus "slash"
woo me with science
Oct 2012
#129
i am happy to elect democrats that will enact & protect democratic policies.
HiPointDem
Oct 2012
#38
The problem is all the positive comments about "Simpson-Bowle-shit"..they've telegraphed too much...
tokenlib
Oct 2012
#111
So you're equally sure that Obama doesn't want the Bush tax cuts to expire for the 1%?
MannyGoldstein
Oct 2012
#237
You won't get screwed. Current and almost there retirees are a protected class.
Luminous Animal
Oct 2012
#272
What about encouraging people to walk and chew gum at the same time? Would that be OK?
eridani
Oct 2012
#255
You must have the archaic notion that your vote belongs to you rather than to a politcian.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Oct 2012
#71
LOL. Please VOTE FOR ROMNEY.. seriously. Because I think THEIR plans are really awesome. nt
progressivebydesign
Oct 2012
#118
If Obama does anything with social security, it will benefit us...not hurt us. If Rob-me gets hold
judesedit
Oct 2012
#54
Yeah, Bernie is the best--may he be blessed with great health and a long life!!
tokenlib
Oct 2012
#116
There is probably going to be an attempt to fuck with Social Security regardless of the election
tularetom
Oct 2012
#62
I don't fucking play games and have no use for that shit. If you are posting that for Obama
Autumn
Oct 2012
#97
No, that was a bluff to EXPOSE BOEHNER was not serious about deficit reduction.
emulatorloo
Oct 2012
#149
Thank you. I am sick to death of those who are willing to put blinders on until it is way too
sabrina 1
Oct 2012
#353
"I’ll tell you what, when you get elected to the United States Senate and sit at that table" Axelrod
jtuck004
Oct 2012
#81
You think killing millions of seniors is a prize? What a pathetic, ill-thought out opinion.
jtuck004
Oct 2012
#96
Who is the enemy when we are sending $40 billion a month to wealthy people so their
jtuck004
Oct 2012
#148
An Excellent Post...! Thank you....because that fills in the details about Bailing out the Banks
KoKo
Oct 2012
#316
It really bothers me. People are losing their homes, seniors were told their equity would
jtuck004
Oct 2012
#334
Nice post from you about our Economy and Stock Market...and how much we don't know..and
KoKo
Oct 2012
#339
It is the responsibility of the people in a democracy to hold public servants accountable.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Oct 2012
#151
Axelrod is the one you should "admonish"..for sounding like "Willard" with his "quiet room" comment.
tokenlib
Oct 2012
#124
THANK YOU. This should be the response by every citizen who is *EVER*
woo me with science
Oct 2012
#121
56 & over = a majority of the electorate. SS is an important issue; I don't understand why
HiPointDem
Oct 2012
#114
it is a very important issue to me - one of the main reasons i am a democrat and an obama
arely staircase
Oct 2012
#128
please, by all means continue to worry over non-existent things. here in the reality based community
arely staircase
Oct 2012
#350
He said in the debate he had a version of Simpson-Bowles in front of congress. I wonder if this is
dkf
Oct 2012
#125
When I read the piece here about Peter G. Peterson, I finally understood.
LiberalAndProud
Oct 2012
#126
Voting is not enough all by itself anymore, and voting is absolutely NOT the only voice we have.
woo me with science
Oct 2012
#183
and the alternative is much MUCH FUCKING WORSE, so howzabout we stop enabling it? nt
LaydeeBug
Oct 2012
#147
It is the reponsibility of the people in a democracy to hold public servants accountable.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Oct 2012
#153
Maybe you and Woo can provide me a list of Democrats in the House and Senate
emulatorloo
Oct 2012
#157
Well, let's start with the Senators who didn't sign the letter opposing Soc Sec cuts....
tokenlib
Oct 2012
#160
At least we know where the Norquest pledge signers stand--they make better targets..
tokenlib
Oct 2012
#165
Right. Because a 'discussion' with 300 million people will certainly clear things up.
randome
Oct 2012
#159
They cleaned it up with holes large enough to drive a "Simpson-Bowles" bannered semi through....
tokenlib
Oct 2012
#168
Instead of insulting those who raise concerns--a little respect for their positions would be welcome
tokenlib
Oct 2012
#176
Is this supposed to be some bizarre version of "Are you now or have you ever been..."?
woo me with science
Oct 2012
#186
No. Just the reminder police. This IS a discussion board for those supportive of Democrats
mzmolly
Oct 2012
#193
There is voting for Democrats period. And then there is voting for Democrats comma.
eridani
Oct 2012
#258
Skinner has clarified his position on numerous occasions. I quoted him, specifically in my sig line.
mzmolly
Oct 2012
#289
Expecting, and voicing the expectation, that Democrats will not attack Social Security benefits
woo me with science
Oct 2012
#217
"...list?" What is this "list?" "Please be careful" you warn and then mention "purity."
KoKo
Oct 2012
#317
I personally do not like that statement. I want to know IF I have to work until I'm 70 or 80.
diabeticman
Oct 2012
#206
And how bloody convenient it is that people get jobs right out of school and stay
eridani
Oct 2012
#260
remember woo: 'In times like these people have to watch what they say and watch what they do'.
KG
Oct 2012
#215
more like, "don't be a douchebag and campaign against dems at the end of a presidential campaign"
dionysus
Oct 2012
#347
Glad there are still some of us FDR/New Deal democrats who aren't just going to "go along" with cuts
tokenlib
Oct 2012
#259
Could you (and everyone on this thread who does so) quit using bullshit terminology like
eridani
Oct 2012
#261
As an eventual "tweakee", your presentation is absolutely where we should stand..
tokenlib
Oct 2012
#262
As a current tweakee, I'd like the discussion. I also like increased FICA cap and increased benefits
Hoyt
Oct 2012
#270
Unfortunately "simpleton" approaches and trying to put everything into simple boxes/questions
Hoyt
Oct 2012
#269
I really don't care to waste my time trying to explain it to you. You won't get it.
Hoyt
Oct 2012
#311
I get that you think getting slowly poorer with each advancing year is wonderful for old folks
eridani
Oct 2012
#312
I don't think I'll get slowly "poorer" from chained-cpi. I do think we'll get poorer if we don't
Hoyt
Oct 2012
#313
I will be depending on SS for damn near all my retirement income, but that means I'm dependent on
Hoyt
Oct 2012
#342
There is a SocSec Trust Fund in surplus to the tune of a couple of trillion, invested in T-bills
eridani
Oct 2012
#346
How President Obama and Mitt Romney compare on preserving Social Security for America’s seniors
ProSense
Oct 2012
#277
Well...they are good at what they do as Political Operatives...BUT..are they good for the Rest of Us
KoKo
Oct 2012
#341
He needs a Democratic Senate. This is one way to say "make it so, or bad things CAN happen", a.k.a..
patrice
Oct 2012
#326