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Iggo (37,722 posts)

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141 replies	Author	Time	Post
Should a 13-year old murderer be tried as an adult? [View all]	Archae	Oct 2012	OP
Yes....	skeewee08	Oct 2012	#1
The ... usually means you have more info. Which of course you left out.	Logical	Oct 2012	#28
I usually err on the side of caution.	sadbear	Oct 2012	#2
No. n/t	Iris	Oct 2012	#3
They're not adults.	Warpy	Oct 2012	#4
I dislike this whole "trying them as an adult" concept.	Nye Bevan	Oct 2012	#5
And release the murdering juvenile in five years	Brewinblue	Oct 2012	#17
I wish...	Lucy Goosey	Oct 2012	#23
I'm not sure that is the choice. Recent studies have found juveniles are punished MORE harshly	Iris	Oct 2012	#36
Problem is the average adult time served (10-12 years)...	TheMadMonk	Oct 2012	#47
I suspect that's because victims of adult killers tend to be less sympathetic	ButterflyBlood	Oct 2012	#67
I think your example of a woman killing an abusive husband is faulty.	Iris	Oct 2012	#71
How about an 11 year old psychopath? A 10 year old psychopath?	Nye Bevan	Oct 2012	#41
Yet if they are truly a psychopath, they are beyond help	Drahthaardogs	Oct 2012	#121
Call me a bleeding heart liberal if you like,	Nye Bevan	Oct 2012	#122
Agreed. A human life has been taken. Is that any less offensive because the murderer is 13?	CakeGrrl	Oct 2012	#49
Exactly.	Iris	Oct 2012	#72
Agreed	GreenPartyVoter	Oct 2012	#114
Now you stay classy, you hear?	march starling	Oct 2012	#115
Thanks. You are correct. I have edited my post to remove the profanity.	Nye Bevan	Oct 2012	#116
I'm a firm believer that if they are too young to sign legal contracts	DJ13	Oct 2012	#6
+1	josh3693	Oct 2012	#14
Absolutely not!	Betsy Ross	Oct 2012	#7
"Tried as adults" means "possible death penalty" in many states.	porphyrian	Oct 2012	#8
Not anymore	Nevernose	Oct 2012	#128
Yes.	Grave Grumbler	Oct 2012	#9
LOL, thanks for the detailed analysis. I am convinced now.	Logical	Oct 2012	#27
That's why I'm here.	Grave Grumbler	Oct 2012	#31
Usually no, but...	josh3693	Oct 2012	#10
It Depends...	WillyT	Oct 2012	#11
No!	Agnosticsherbet	Oct 2012	#12
might be a reason for it.	former-republican	Oct 2012	#56
They should be tried as children, even if that requires they be set free	Agnosticsherbet	Oct 2012	#63
13 , 14 ,15 years old that murder people in cold blood	former-republican	Oct 2012	#70
Absolutely	treestar	Oct 2012	#86
These children were created by their society...	Agnosticsherbet	Oct 2012	#93
It's even more horrifying to have a kid killing than an adult	treestar	Oct 2012	#95
Try living in an inners city in deep poverty...	Agnosticsherbet	Oct 2012	#99
I'm not talking about that, I agree on that	treestar	Oct 2012	#100
sometimes there is no better way	former-republican	Oct 2012	#140
13, 14, and 15 year old children are not physically, mentally, emotionally, or psychologically	Agnosticsherbet	Oct 2012	#89
yeah but, at 13, one knows that its wrong to... MURDER AN OLD LADY WITH A FUCKING HATCHET!	dionysus	Oct 2012	#91
15 or 25 is not a few.	morningfog	Oct 2012	#135
Maybe not mature, but definitely broken.	sir pball	Oct 2012	#82
I did not say innate goodnes...there is no evidence of that in the universe.	Agnosticsherbet	Oct 2012	#92
I don't think it's always nurture	sir pball	Oct 2012	#112
I don't think it's always nurture	sir pball	Oct 2012	#113
More like thirty or forty, according to some--and I think there's some validity there.	MADem	Oct 2012	#110
It is really easy to screw up a child...	Agnosticsherbet	Oct 2012	#117
I think we should work to change the fate of at-risk kids, but once they	MADem	Oct 2012	#125
Maybe	bluestateguy	Oct 2012	#13
No.	JaneyVee	Oct 2012	#15
I strongly disagree with adult sentencing of (miGod!) 13 year-olds.	Jackpine Radical	Oct 2012	#16
I worked with a 13 year old who tried to shoot his Grandma	HockeyMom	Oct 2012	#18
Age of reason...	Lightbulb_on	Oct 2012	#19
Yes, but not with a mandatory life sentence with no chance of parole.	mrmpa	Oct 2012	#20
So 40 years would be OK with you? Jesus, people dont get it.	Logical	Oct 2012	#29
What aren't I getting?	mrmpa	Oct 2012	#33
So a "hard 40" sentence, in kansas, means 40 years with no parole. You think the kid getting out...	Logical	Oct 2012	#39
Yes AND no.	cleanhippie	Oct 2012	#88
A century or more ago, fifteen year olds were working full time as a matter of routine.	MADem	Oct 2012	#103
I think that is true as well.	cleanhippie	Oct 2012	#105
As I said downthread, lock 'em up.	MADem	Oct 2012	#109
I think we are on the same page about this.	cleanhippie	Oct 2012	#119
So if they are found not guilty are they still an adult? Drive? Drink? Etc?	Logical	Oct 2012	#108
I don't know what you mean.	cleanhippie	Oct 2012	#118
No. And I don't think the DP should be an option.	Taverner	Oct 2012	#21
They shouldn't be tried as adults, but should receive the same sentence that an adult would	slackmaster	Oct 2012	#22
Well if you're going to sentence them as adults then what the hell is the point?	eqfan592	Oct 2012	#59
You treat the defendant as a child during the trial, and while incarcerated until age 18	slackmaster	Oct 2012	#79
But when it comes to murdering other people	treestar	Oct 2012	#85
No	aint_no_life_nowhere	Oct 2012	#24
Why?	Lightbulb_on	Oct 2012	#37
Do you think a 5 year old doesn't know that it's wrong to hatchet an old woman to death? nt	greyl	Oct 2012	#44
They don't - at least not like an adult	aint_no_life_nowhere	Oct 2012	#46
Biggest bullshit question that can be asked when talking about this issue.	eqfan592	Oct 2012	#61
I don't claim that they have it in all things...	Lightbulb_on	Oct 2012	#73
Are they afforded the same rights as adults?	Shankapotomus	Oct 2012	#25
No.	rug	Oct 2012	#26
Being 13 is not an excuse for what they did, its a mitigating factor to consider.	1-Old-Man	Oct 2012	#30
A 13 year old isn't an adult	ohheckyeah	Oct 2012	#32
Well, since the AREN'T adults, I'd say no.	Laffy Kat	Oct 2012	#34
In this scenario, hell yes!	NotThisTime	Oct 2012	#35
No.	Pithlet	Oct 2012	#38
No, I don't think a 13-year-old should be tried as an adult	fishwax	Oct 2012	#40
No. They're not adults.	Brickbat	Oct 2012	#42
I don't think a 13 yr old should EVER be tried as an adult,	MH1	Oct 2012	#43
Do they have to be released by law?	former-republican	Oct 2012	#57
Children should be tried as children. On the other hand, I don't think that the juvenile justice...	JVS	Oct 2012	#45
I am glad i do not have to make that choice.	hrmjustin	Oct 2012	#48
For capital crimes, yes. Someone who killed an old woman with a hatchet cannot be reformed.	Pacafishmate	Oct 2012	#50
If they are old enough to drive,vote, consent for sex, buy alcohol,sign a contract then hell yes	Douglas Carpenter	Oct 2012	#51
Depends on the offense. In this case yes they should.	dkf	Oct 2012	#52
They should be charged as adults	Cali_Democrat	Oct 2012	#53
No.	OriginalGeek	Oct 2012	#54
There are a circumstances which we do not have the answers to	Savannahmann	Oct 2012	#55
International Juvenile Justice Practices	Tierra_y_Libertad	Oct 2012	#58
they look like stoners =dont know where being under the influence would fit in	lunasun	Oct 2012	#60
Yes. Absolutely. nt	Skip Intro	Oct 2012	#62
NO.	Th1onein	Oct 2012	#64
I think the age to be tried as an adult should be lowered, but no one under that tried as an adult	ButterflyBlood	Oct 2012	#65
Axe murderers are irredeemable trash.	geek tragedy	Oct 2012	#66
Never. If they were capable of being adults they would have the rights and responsibilities as such	TheKentuckian	Oct 2012	#68
15-20, 13years to 18/21 served....	rppper	Oct 2012	#69
Heinousness and excusablity seem like separate issues from trial in adult court to me...	HereSince1628	Oct 2012	#74
A refreshingly logical position	aint_no_life_nowhere	Oct 2012	#123
No. A 13 year old is a child. What if the perpertrators had be 9?	cali	Oct 2012	#75
For me it depends on the depth of premeditation and response after	aikoaiko	Oct 2012	#76
No in my opinion.	aandegoons	Oct 2012	#77
NO	Brainstormy	Oct 2012	#78
Definitely they s/b tried as adults. 13 is old enough to know NOT TO HATCHET PEOPLE!	valerief	Oct 2012	#80
No. Thier brains are not yet developed to the point of an adults brain.	Whovian	Oct 2012	#81
They say the brain isn't fully developed until age 25.	Union Scribe	Oct 2012	#97
You can defer to the wisdom of Ron Paul	tjwash	Oct 2012	#83
When it comes to murder, yes	treestar	Oct 2012	#84
My take on it	Aerows	Oct 2012	#87
Is there a link for this story? nt	TBF	Oct 2012	#90
Yes, on a case-by-case basis.	Union Scribe	Oct 2012	#94
Some kids are obvious proto-Psychopaths that can't be rehabilitated.	Odin2005	Oct 2012	#96
No.	proud2BlibKansan	Oct 2012	#98
Teen psychopaths will still be psychopaths at 25.	Odin2005	Oct 2012	#106
Works for me. Those kids can't be fixed. nt	MADem	Oct 2012	#101
No.	Iggo	Oct 2012	#102
I prefer the accused, especially juviniles, be called accused until they are tried.	Bluenorthwest	Oct 2012	#104
No. Unless you think they should also be able to do other adult things.	Puregonzo1188	Oct 2012	#107
An axe murderer is an axe murderer.	MrSlayer	Oct 2012	#111
You seriously want to execute middle school children?	Nevernose	Oct 2012	#129
Why not?	MrSlayer	Oct 2012	#130
I agree	JVS	Oct 2012	#132
You would have to undo constitutional law to get your blood thirst on.	morningfog	Oct 2012	#137
Well, I'm not going to do anything.	MrSlayer	Oct 2012	#141
God, it's topics like this that make me glad I don't live in the U.S.	Evoman	Oct 2012	#120
In what earthly paradise of a nation do you find your abode? nt	MADem	Oct 2012	#127
yep, we should do as in your country...take them aside and talk with them very seriously...	yawnmaster	Oct 2012	#138
I hate these bull shit threads.........	SILVER__FOX52	Oct 2012	#124
+1	Stinky The Clown	Oct 2012	#131
NO	Skittles	Oct 2012	#126
They are not adults. A teenage brain has a lot of developing to do.	Exultant Democracy	Oct 2012	#133
Neither are facing life without the possibility of parole.	morningfog	Oct 2012	#134
No- a 13 year old is never an adult	Marrah_G	Oct 2012	#136
Brain development at 13 years old...	yawnmaster	Oct 2012	#139

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