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Gothmog

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64. You are wrong and Joe Biden is correct

Reply to Jirel (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 10, 2020, 04:17 PM

Dec 2020

This motto killed down ballot candidates in the last election

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Biden tells civil rights leaders that 'defund police' was 'how they beat the living hell out of us' [View all] Gothmog Dec 2020 OP

That, and "socialism" killed us in SFL mcar Dec 2020 #1

Even in my part of Texas, the GOP was using socialism as an attack line Gothmog Dec 2020 #7

We had a good chance of taking the FL state senate mcar Dec 2020 #11

You are correct Gothmog Dec 2020 #121

I agree also Mz Pip Dec 2020 #2

Me too oswaldactedalone Dec 2020 #18

💯% agree.... Duppers Dec 2020 #66

Have you even met BGBD Dec 2020 #145

Totally agree. That's why... Duppers Dec 2020 #146

Telling us what we need to hear. Botany Dec 2020 #3

Right. elleng Dec 2020 #5

They aren't burdened by having to be honest. Botany Dec 2020 #6

Yes, they're masters at taking half a sentence or thought and omitted the rest..... George II Dec 2020 #63

I agree. We Dems need to get our messaging together redstateblues Dec 2020 #4

WE have it together. WE cannot control the hostile left or right's messaging. Hortensis Dec 2020 #13

+1 betsuni Dec 2020 #93

Defund the police was the #1 issue for a lot of moderate Republicans Johnny2X2X Dec 2020 #8

"Moderate" Republicans are mental children who can't see past their own privilege. maxsolomon Dec 2020 #22

That may be true, but they can make the difference in close elections. Crunchy Frog Dec 2020 #28

Of course. maxsolomon Dec 2020 #33

That's because the Republicans scared them with their messaging. yardwork Dec 2020 #30

Then those people are idiots rockfordfile Dec 2020 #106

If the GOP were demanding defunding the police, they would be calling it... Thomas Hurt Dec 2020 #9

Apply fiscal responsibility to policing. Crunchy Frog Dec 2020 #31

There you have it. Why couldn't our "progressives" think of putting it that way? Hekate Dec 2020 #97

Who came up with that slogan? Lunabell Dec 2020 #10

I've seen that question asked 100x on DU. maxsolomon Dec 2020 #23

Ok, done. Lunabell Dec 2020 #56

I agree with Biden BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #12

True StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #14

"No one was calling for the police to actually be defunded" melman Dec 2020 #37

Terrible slogan then. Johnny2X2X Dec 2020 #43

It's not a slogan melman Dec 2020 #46

Burn down the forests! Johnny2X2X Dec 2020 #51

It says what it means melman Dec 2020 #62

+1000 AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #103

Does It Fit On A Bumper Sticker? ProfessorGAC Dec 2020 #71

"Huh, what?" By its very nature, and form, it's just a slogan. LanternWaste Dec 2020 #73

"There's a particular bliss to be found" melman Dec 2020 #75

Do you ever tire of being wrong?? Gothmog Dec 2020 #112

here's the fellow you posted disagreeing with you bigtree Dec 2020 #140

Katie Porter on "The View" just called it a slogan and said "relying on a slogan" is wrong. George II Dec 2020 #141

Yup. cwydro Dec 2020 #52

Do you ever tire of being wrong?? Gothmog Dec 2020 #149

These ads were very effective Gothmog Dec 2020 #161

People were actually calling to defund the police. Literally take money out of police budgets... Caliman73 Dec 2020 #39

nope. people were actually calling for exactly that stopdiggin Dec 2020 #49

Joe's human, which means sometimes he is wrong. Jirel Dec 2020 #15

I don't think Biden was wrong about this. nt Crunchy Frog Dec 2020 #34

sorry the language is the issue stopdiggin Dec 2020 #57

It's not "stupid shit." Jirel Dec 2020 #76

the "phrase" (as you put it) constitutes "stupid sh*t" stopdiggin Dec 2020 #108

You are wrong Gothmog Dec 2020 #113

This isn't the same as "Black Lives Matter" StarfishSaver Dec 2020 #61

You are wrong and Joe Biden is correct Gothmog Dec 2020 #64

***BINGO!!!*** Why didn't down ballot democrats respond appropriately to polling saying they were... uponit7771 Dec 2020 #85

The GOP is using this stupid slogan in Georgia Gothmog Dec 2020 #162

I disagree with President Elect Joe Biden on this gratuitous Dec 2020 #16

Defund the Police killed a number of downballot candidates Gothmog Dec 2020 #78

Incompetent candidates aren't my concern gratuitous Dec 2020 #91

Good candidates lost due to this idiotic slogan Gothmog Dec 2020 #92

they lost because they failed to defend BLM against distortions and lies bigtree Dec 2020 #102

What candidates, specifically, are you calling "incompetent"? George II Dec 2020 #94

Seems rather obvious gratuitous Dec 2020 #100

Name specific examples of who lost because of being incompetent AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #104

Please re-read my post gratuitous Dec 2020 #107

I said give specific examples of who the incompetent Democratic candidates were AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #109

So it was okay to lose the Maine and South Carolina senate seats due to this dumb slogan? Gothmog Dec 2020 #120

Are calling Sara Gideon an incompetent candidate? Gothmog Dec 2020 #115

Are you calling Jaimie Harrison an incompetent candidate Gothmog Dec 2020 #114

I wonder how it would have gone if they'd used my preferred slogan: maxsolomon Dec 2020 #17

"Fuck the Police" would have had exactly the same effect as "Defund the Police". Mariana Dec 2020 #58

Is there a link to a news article? Adelante Dec 2020 #19

There's a link in the tweet. NurseJackie Dec 2020 #20

Here you are Gothmog Dec 2020 #21

Thank you. Adelante Dec 2020 #36

My kids laughed at me a couple of years ago about twitter and so I had to figure it out Gothmog Dec 2020 #55

I agree, but the DNC didn't promote that message. yardwork Dec 2020 #24

Yeah, but those groups don't want to REFORM THE POLICE Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2020 #27

Those groups aren't the Democratic Party. yardwork Dec 2020 #32

Those groups are part of the Democratic Party, Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2020 #44

Since most of those groups caucus with us Sgent Dec 2020 #47

Good point. It's still up to the DNC to take control of the message. yardwork Dec 2020 #65

It's still the right thing to do. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2020 #25

Different times entirely.It was LBJ who lost us some Democrats, because the Dixiecrats all exited... Hekate Dec 2020 #99

Only if you want to make sure that Republicans beat Democrats in close races Gothmog Dec 2020 #116

I lulz'd KG Dec 2020 #26

What does "reallocate" money mean? Caliman73 Dec 2020 #29

ask 10 different people, get 10 different answers stopdiggin Dec 2020 #60

Biden is 100% correct AmericanCanuck Dec 2020 #35

+1 K&R onetexan Dec 2020 #38

I don't know how much of an effect it had. BusyBeingBest Dec 2020 #40

the people who get bashed over the head with this are invariably folks who haven't used the phrase bigtree Dec 2020 #41

Again you are totally wrong Gothmog Dec 2020 #160

I love Joe Biden but disagree that the slogan costs votes. Barbara2423 Dec 2020 #42

+1, if the slogan was that damaging why didn't dems respond to it before Nov 4th. The notion that a uponit7771 Dec 2020 #86

They did. Joe Biden said many times "I do not support defunding police" betsuni Dec 2020 #95

Down ballot dems, not the top of the ticket. Biden responded but why didn't down ballot do such ... uponit7771 Dec 2020 #98

They did. "In all these races, the Democratic candidates opposed defunding law enforcement." betsuni Dec 2020 #105

That's not individual dem down ballot polls, that's a polling of DTP. Dem down ballot polling was up uponit7771 Dec 2020 #128

You don't know why Republicans win? Don't know about cheating, voting suppression, playing betsuni Dec 2020 #129

No, I know down ballot dems didn't underperform polling because of a slogan. That makes no sense uponit7771 Dec 2020 #132

Yep. Joe said that & "progressives" went ballistic. Why give a long rational answer when a snappy... Hekate Dec 2020 #101

Isn't it time to make an issue of Republicans defunding the police by blocking aid to cities? Midnight Writer Dec 2020 #45

I have to agree wryter2000 Dec 2020 #48

Clyburn says the same thing. cwydro Dec 2020 #50

it's as true as any phrase the rw has expolited bigtree Dec 2020 #53

Well, sorry, but I got lost in that run-on sentence. cwydro Dec 2020 #54

the percentage of people who said that on this site was likely a fraction of a fraction bigtree Dec 2020 #68

Why 'Defund The Police' Attacks Were So Potent Against Democrats Gothmog Dec 2020 #80

here's who this article blames bigtree Dec 2020 #89

We lost races and seats that we should have won due to this ignorant slogan Gothmog Dec 2020 #117

it's just astounding how disconnected this argument of yours is from reality bigtree Dec 2020 #123

It is you who is dsconnected from the real world Gothmog Dec 2020 #124

you have some damn nerve telling me what to do bigtree Dec 2020 #126

I have been working hard in the real world to turn Texas blue. This means winning races Gothmog Dec 2020 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Dec 2020 #138

Thanks. Now we have to pretend there were no demonstrators R B Garr Dec 2020 #96

As the famous Representative said a few weeks ago, "Defund the police means defund the police!" George II Dec 2020 #59

And Joe Biden would be right peggysue2 Dec 2020 #70

He is correct It was a huge contributing factor along with "socialism." Boogiemack Dec 2020 #67

why should anyone stifle their beliefs because republicans might expolit something said? bigtree Dec 2020 #69

Because we want to win. We want to win to get the positions of power we need to bring about Boogiemack Dec 2020 #72

we live our lives in the middle of elections, we don't live for elections bigtree Dec 2020 #74

The goal is to win elections Gothmog Dec 2020 #79

trust who you want, but you should recognize that most people don't live for elections bigtree Dec 2020 #83

A huge catastrophe': Democrats grapple with congressional and state election losses Gothmog Dec 2020 #122

these candidates need to defend themselves better bigtree Dec 2020 #125

This attack is sad and does not reflect how campaigns work in the real world Gothmog Dec 2020 #144

blaming the people politicians expect to vote for them for expressing themselves is not only sad bigtree Dec 2020 #147

Have you ever worked on a campaign in the real world? Gothmog Dec 2020 #148

how special of you. You must be the only person who worked for a campaign here bigtree Dec 2020 #150

Thank you for confirming that you do not understand how campaigns in the real world work Gothmog Dec 2020 #151

what a trip bigtree Dec 2020 #153

Do you ever tire of being wrong?? Gothmog Dec 2020 #155

not one word of this article you just posted contradicts me bigtree Dec 2020 #156

Again do you tire of being wrong? Why do you want Democratic candidates to lose elections? Gothmog Dec 2020 #157

putting you on ignore bigtree Dec 2020 #158

I am glad that you admit that you are totally wrong Gothmog Dec 2020 #159

Obama Says 'Defund The Police' Alienates Voters Gothmog Dec 2020 #152

There is ... NO ... empirical proof of this, not one poll. Also, if that slogan was so damaging to uponit7771 Dec 2020 #87

In leaked recording, Biden says GOP used 'defund the police' to 'beat the living hell' out of Democr Gothmog Dec 2020 #77

Convenient excuse, but wrong DeminPennswoods Dec 2020 #81

+1, also if DTP was depressing down ballot dems so bad why wasn't there a response before Nov 4th !? uponit7771 Dec 2020 #88

+1 leftstreet Dec 2020 #111

No you are wrong Gothmog Dec 2020 #118

Doubt any area saw more "scary" about not having police DeminPennswoods Dec 2020 #130

That's not the reason down ballot dems underperformed out of MOE polling. The whole article is a ... uponit7771 Dec 2020 #134

Democrats and progressives need to learn messaging, and message discipline. backscatter712 Dec 2020 #82

This attack is currently being used in Georgia Gothmog Dec 2020 #165

Why didn't down ballot dems respond to polling that showed this beating them down ballot? tia uponit7771 Dec 2020 #84

A huge catastrophe': Democrats grapple with congressional and state election losses Gothmog Dec 2020 #119

Which were countered how by dems? Also, were the candidates you're speaking of... uponit7771 Dec 2020 #137

The real world is a nice place Gothmog Dec 2020 #143

Agree Meowmee Dec 2020 #90

PHRASING. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #110

Defunding the police wouldn't solve the problems dansolo Dec 2020 #131

this town disagrees bigtree Dec 2020 #139

And playing nice with the repugs will be how they beat us again. nt Hotler Dec 2020 #133

Living near a white middle class republican neighborhood- he is absolutely correct about this dsp3000 Dec 2020 #135

that level of racism from your neighbors bigtree Dec 2020 #154

"Hold them accountable" for.....? WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2020 #136

Katie Porter is on "The View" this morning, and she just called it a slogan and said.... George II Dec 2020 #142

+1000, love Katie Porter telling it like it is. R B Garr Dec 2020 #164

I saw a ton of ads using the "Defund the Police" slogan very effectively against Democrats in Texas Gothmog Dec 2020 #163

They're doing it all over the state of Georgia in the two runoff campaigns. It's getting nasty. George II Dec 2020 #166

This dumb slogan may cost us two senate seats Gothmog Dec 2020 #167