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In reply to the discussion: Biden tells civil rights leaders that 'defund police' was 'how they beat the living hell out of us' [View all]StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)14. True
"Defund the police" was different than "Black Lives Matter."
"Black Lives Matter" means exactly what the words say, but some people played dumb and pretended either that it wasn't clear or that it meant something other than what the plain words said. Any "explaining" that needed to be done was to push back on people who pretended the message wasn't clear when it was as plain as day but they just didn't like the message.
"Defund the Police" is another story. The words themselves don't convey what the message is supposed to be. No one was calling for the police to actually be defunded but for policing to be reshaped and reformed. The message itself made no sense and was successfully used to undermine candidates.
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Biden tells civil rights leaders that 'defund police' was 'how they beat the living hell out of us' [View all]
Gothmog
Dec 2020
OP
Yes, they're masters at taking half a sentence or thought and omitted the rest.....
George II
Dec 2020
#63
WE have it together. WE cannot control the hostile left or right's messaging.
Hortensis
Dec 2020
#13
"Moderate" Republicans are mental children who can't see past their own privilege.
maxsolomon
Dec 2020
#22
There you have it. Why couldn't our "progressives" think of putting it that way?
Hekate
Dec 2020
#97
Katie Porter on "The View" just called it a slogan and said "relying on a slogan" is wrong.
George II
Dec 2020
#141
People were actually calling to defund the police. Literally take money out of police budgets...
Caliman73
Dec 2020
#39
***BINGO!!!*** Why didn't down ballot democrats respond appropriately to polling saying they were...
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#85
I said give specific examples of who the incompetent Democratic candidates were
AmericanCanuck
Dec 2020
#109
So it was okay to lose the Maine and South Carolina senate seats due to this dumb slogan?
Gothmog
Dec 2020
#120
"Fuck the Police" would have had exactly the same effect as "Defund the Police".
Mariana
Dec 2020
#58
My kids laughed at me a couple of years ago about twitter and so I had to figure it out
Gothmog
Dec 2020
#55
Different times entirely.It was LBJ who lost us some Democrats, because the Dixiecrats all exited...
Hekate
Dec 2020
#99
the people who get bashed over the head with this are invariably folks who haven't used the phrase
bigtree
Dec 2020
#41
+1, if the slogan was that damaging why didn't dems respond to it before Nov 4th. The notion that a
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#86
Down ballot dems, not the top of the ticket. Biden responded but why didn't down ballot do such ...
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#98
They did. "In all these races, the Democratic candidates opposed defunding law enforcement."
betsuni
Dec 2020
#105
That's not individual dem down ballot polls, that's a polling of DTP. Dem down ballot polling was up
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#128
You don't know why Republicans win? Don't know about cheating, voting suppression, playing
betsuni
Dec 2020
#129
No, I know down ballot dems didn't underperform polling because of a slogan. That makes no sense
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#132
Yep. Joe said that & "progressives" went ballistic. Why give a long rational answer when a snappy...
Hekate
Dec 2020
#101
Isn't it time to make an issue of Republicans defunding the police by blocking aid to cities?
Midnight Writer
Dec 2020
#45
the percentage of people who said that on this site was likely a fraction of a fraction
bigtree
Dec 2020
#68
I have been working hard in the real world to turn Texas blue. This means winning races
Gothmog
Dec 2020
#127
As the famous Representative said a few weeks ago, "Defund the police means defund the police!"
George II
Dec 2020
#59
why should anyone stifle their beliefs because republicans might expolit something said?
bigtree
Dec 2020
#69
Because we want to win. We want to win to get the positions of power we need to bring about
Boogiemack
Dec 2020
#72
trust who you want, but you should recognize that most people don't live for elections
bigtree
Dec 2020
#83
A huge catastrophe': Democrats grapple with congressional and state election losses
Gothmog
Dec 2020
#122
blaming the people politicians expect to vote for them for expressing themselves is not only sad
bigtree
Dec 2020
#147
how special of you. You must be the only person who worked for a campaign here
bigtree
Dec 2020
#150
Thank you for confirming that you do not understand how campaigns in the real world work
Gothmog
Dec 2020
#151
Again do you tire of being wrong? Why do you want Democratic candidates to lose elections?
Gothmog
Dec 2020
#157
There is ... NO ... empirical proof of this, not one poll. Also, if that slogan was so damaging to
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#87
In leaked recording, Biden says GOP used 'defund the police' to 'beat the living hell' out of Democr
Gothmog
Dec 2020
#77
+1, also if DTP was depressing down ballot dems so bad why wasn't there a response before Nov 4th !?
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#88
That's not the reason down ballot dems underperformed out of MOE polling. The whole article is a ...
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#134
Democrats and progressives need to learn messaging, and message discipline.
backscatter712
Dec 2020
#82
Why didn't down ballot dems respond to polling that showed this beating them down ballot? tia
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#84
A huge catastrophe': Democrats grapple with congressional and state election losses
Gothmog
Dec 2020
#119
Which were countered how by dems? Also, were the candidates you're speaking of...
uponit7771
Dec 2020
#137
Living near a white middle class republican neighborhood- he is absolutely correct about this
dsp3000
Dec 2020
#135
Katie Porter is on "The View" this morning, and she just called it a slogan and said....
George II
Dec 2020
#142
I saw a ton of ads using the "Defund the Police" slogan very effectively against Democrats in Texas
Gothmog
Dec 2020
#163
They're doing it all over the state of Georgia in the two runoff campaigns. It's getting nasty.
George II
Dec 2020
#166