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progressoid

(49,964 posts)
30. Indeed.
Mon Dec 7, 2020, 12:58 PM
Dec 2020
...Eisenhower’s self-presentation was in keeping with the postwar statements of several other top military officials—a tinge of regret, a sense of skepticism about whether the bomb was necessary, or whether it even played the role in ending the war that people said it did. The U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey of 1946, for instance, concluded that “Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.” Admiral William Leahy, in his memoirs, called the bomb “barbarous” and said that it provided “no material assistance in our war against Japan,” since the Japanese were “already defeated and ready to surrender.”

These critiques can seem shocking today, because they upset our understanding of how Hiroshima and Nagasaki map onto modern politics. We assume that Republicans, especially those in the military, are retrospectively pro-bomb, and that liberals see the attacks as something between a mistake and a war crime. But this interpretation removes the critiques from their historical context. Many commanders in both the European and Pacific theatres resented that the bomb got credit for ending the war. They saw their own strategic efforts, including the ruinous firebombing of at least sixty-seven Japanese cities, led by General Curtis LeMay, as being overshadowed by a scientific “gadget.” They feared that nuclear weapons would become an excuse to cut funding for conventional armed forces: if the bomb maintained the peace, who needed generals? (Their fears proved not entirely unfounded—Truman’s second Secretary of Defense, Louis A. Johnson, did try to slash military budgets—but they eventually learned to love the bomb.) When these leaders proposed that the attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were unnecessary, they meant that they were unnecessary because Japan had already been bombed to dust. It was not a peacenik argument.

As President, Eisenhower remained mute on Hiroshima. He oversaw a rapid expansion of the U.S. nuclear arsenal, which grew from around twelve hundred warheads when he took office, in 1953, to more than twenty-two thousand when he left, in 1961—from the equivalent of five thousand Hiroshima bombs to the equivalent of more than a million at its height. Eisenhower, in other words, is an unlikely hero for opponents of nuclear weapons. After he left the Presidency, however, he made more critical statements on the bombings. In “Mandate for Change,” published in 1963, he wrote that, during the alleged meeting with Stimson, he had “been conscious of a feeling of depression,” and claimed that he had told the Secretary of War that “the dropping of the bomb was completely unnecessary.” In an interview with Newsweek from later that year, Eisenhower stated bluntly that “the Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.”

Whether or not Eisenhower’s views jibe with the documentary evidence from the time, what is most curious is how inexpressible these same views would be for American politicians—much less Presidents—today. The politics of the present are defined far more by the events of the late Cold War and its aftermath than by the arguments of the nineteen-forties. In 1995, a group of veterans of the Second World War objected sharply, and effectively, to a planned exhibit at the Smithsonian Institution centered around the restored fuselage of the plane that dropped the Hiroshima bomb, the Enola Gay. Much of the original text of the exhibit dealt with the suffering of the Japanese, and on historical arguments that the exhibit’s detractors termed “revisionist.” (Eisenhower’s quotes about the bombing were among those they objected to.) The exhibit went forward, but in a considerably neutered state, focussing on the mechanics of the plane and carefully avoiding discussions of the human consequences. The controversy was less a debate about actual history than an extension of the mid-nineteen-nineties culture war into the nostalgic memories of the Greatest Generation. And the consequence was a polarization of opinion. Either you were for the bombings, or you were a revisionist: there was no middle ground. Not surprisingly, politicians have tended to play it safe.

Today, the polarization, at least among historians, seems to have abated considerably. There are still those who take strong views on whether the bombs should have been dropped, but the narratives themselves diverge less. Veterans no longer play as much of a role in the discussion: they are too few in number, and very elderly. It remains to be seen whether distance from the living past will open up a path to public consensus, or cause us to veer even further between the extremes of support and condemnation.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-presidents-talk-about-when-they-talk-about-hiroshima


Nuking a city from above is actually the antithesis of courage Blues Heron Dec 2020 #1
This isn't the anniversary of any nukes AkFemDem Dec 2020 #2
We got our revenge many times over Blues Heron Dec 2020 #4
It wasn't revenge at all Dem4Life1102 Dec 2020 #11
It was revenge Blues Heron Dec 2020 #14
No it wasn't Dem4Life1102 Dec 2020 #17
One of the casualties would have been the man marybourg Dec 2020 #21
Exactly! Dem4Life1102 Dec 2020 #22
There is that. calimary Dec 2020 #38
Maybe it is time to remember the brave men and women that saved us from Fascist Germany Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #15
Maybe it's time for you to stop telling us to stop remembering in our own dware Dec 2020 #40
I don't know anyone alive who wallows in grievances about the Japanese attack in 1941... Hekate Dec 2020 #42
Huh? Who said anything about revenge? AkFemDem Dec 2020 #44
+1 BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #23
After iwo jima and Okinawa, what would the cost in lives of a land invasion of Japan have been? still_one Dec 2020 #6
Yes, the Japanese could have quit the continued kamikaze moves R B Garr Dec 2020 #10
It saved Japanese lives too Dem4Life1102 Dec 2020 #13
My uncle fought all through Germany and was on a boat heading for the Invasion of Japan. Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #16
Seven of the United States' eight five-star Army and Navy officers in 1945 disagree. progressoid Dec 2020 #20
Revisionist history. marybourg Dec 2020 #24
+1 BannonsLiver Dec 2020 #26
Indeed. progressoid Dec 2020 #30
Which part? progressoid Dec 2020 #32
Thank you for posting this. HUAJIAO Dec 2020 #31
I have to wonder how many of those who were setup to invade Japan were against it? still_one Dec 2020 #33
Who gives a fuck? dware Dec 2020 #41
My uncle was on a ship headed for the Pacific, from Leghorn, Italy. Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2020 #47
Awaken a sleeping giant and fill them with a R B Garr Dec 2020 #7
It's a funny thing about us. Just when the world thinks we are too dumb, dis-unified, distracted... Hekate Dec 2020 #43
The decision to use the atomic bombs in the hope of ending the war faster so fewer lives would be highplainsdem Dec 2020 #8
Thank you for getting us back on topic -- Jill Biden's call for unity. BarbD Dec 2020 #29
Hindsight is 20/20. My dad was literally sitting on a dock in San Diego waiting to ship out to catbyte Dec 2020 #9
Were you in service? Do you know what it is to face combat? Demsrule86 Dec 2020 #12
Were it not for the attack 79 years ago today, "nuking a city" would never have happened. George II Dec 2020 #27
London might have been a German city, too. DFW Dec 2020 #46
I understand that you feel this way, but no matrix Dec 2020 #39
Not holding my breath waiting for Trump to remember Pearl Harbor vlyons Dec 2020 #3
He'd wonder if he needs to send her hush money nt alphafemale Dec 2020 #5
good one! treestar Dec 2020 #25
Jill Biden will be a fabulous First Lady--smart, educated, and caring. Lonestarblue Dec 2020 #18
"our nation met tragedy" I would have said it was 74 years ago. Specifically June 14, 1946. cstanleytech Dec 2020 #19
This story from Pearl Harbour is one of my "favourites." BobTheSubgenius Dec 2020 #28
Yeah - My Dad Served in the Pacific Theater In WWII As a Japanese Language Officer. panfluteman Dec 2020 #34
Trump: "Happy Memorial Day" to Japanese military. keithbvadu2 Dec 2020 #35
As the son of a "Greatest Generation" WWll vet, I applaud Jill Biden's comments. FailureToCommunicate Dec 2020 #36
"Biden plans to forgo the traditional inaugural balls and parades ..." Botany Dec 2020 #37
Rt TY Cha Dec 2020 #45
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