General Discussion

rocktivity

(44,887 posts)

99. I concur with your diagnosis: It was a perfect storm of sorts

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 01:09 PM

Nov 2020

Last edited Wed Aug 21, 2024, 10:02 AM - Edit history (18)

From 2016:

From 2020:

According to USA Today, 65 million 2020 election votes -- FORTY per cent of the nearly 160 million total -- were cast by mail, and in addition, 35 million people voted early/absentee. Compared to nearly 129 million votes cast in 2016, where did those extra 31 million votes come from? That apathetic "green zone!"

With a combination of overall higher turnout (despite the voter suppression attacks); most of Biden's votes being cast early or by mail; and only about just one third of the votes actually being cast on Election Day, maybe there just weren't enough blue in-person machine ballots to flip.

rocktivity

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

127 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Y'know what? I suspect there WAS fraud in this election. [View all] Jeebo Nov 2020 OP

K&R Blue Owl Nov 2020 #1

if trump could have cheated mushroomhunter Nov 2020 #95

Voter suppression. radius777 Nov 2020 #2

Tinfoil hat alert ! jaysunb Nov 2020 #3

Exactly! Iwasthere Nov 2020 #8

"He was told the fix was in. He just couldn't have lost!" LiberalLovinLug Nov 2020 #61

I would love to see how many mail in angstlessk Nov 2020 #11

Don Jr was trying to claim that undervotes were fraudelent. yellowdogintexas Nov 2020 #49

Exactly, mail in votes cannot do down ballot voting angstlessk Nov 2020 #52

We voted absentee from abroad, and we could vote for President and congress critter only. GoneOffShore Nov 2020 #56

I tend to think this might be the case as well Bettie Nov 2020 #30

I do too, and I hope this is investigated. Nt spooky3 Nov 2020 #36

I think you're right Catherine Vincent Nov 2020 #75

I concur with your diagnosis: It was a perfect storm of sorts rocktivity Nov 2020 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author rocktivity Jan 2021 #127

This doesn't mean the OP is off in thinking at all, both can be true. uponit7771 Dec 2020 #116

Cheating and stealing have benefitted FoxNewsSucks Nov 2020 #4

EXACTLY! It worked in 2016 they planned a tweak for 2020. The republicans have been stealing...... usaf-vet Nov 2020 #41

regarding Item 3, it is my experience that the reverse is true yellowdogintexas Nov 2020 #55

Maybe I worded it wrong BUT I think my #3 and your tally as written mean the same thing IMO. usaf-vet Nov 2020 #65

I agree, although it more likely was technically voter suppression intrepidity Nov 2020 #5

There was definitely voter suppression in Texas TexasBushwhacker Nov 2020 #70

+1, I've been saying for weeks the polling firms don't weight voter suppression accurately. uponit7771 Dec 2020 #117

I wholly agree and said the same thing two weeks ago. The numbers/polling make absolutely Hestia Nov 2020 #6

I completely agree pandr32 Nov 2020 #7

It's not only okay to believe this, Iwasthere Nov 2020 #9

8 years? Why not 12, 16? The (r)epuglicons will be fractured. The Democrats need to be strong erronis Nov 2020 #20

Republicans lying to pollster. 2% of republicans saying they are voting applegrove Nov 2020 #10

Where does that info come from? KPN Nov 2020 #37

The polls were off by 4%. Same thing happened to Kerry in 2004. applegrove Nov 2020 #46

In 2004, final polls were largely accurate in predicting a small Bush lead. tritsofme Nov 2020 #50

I didn't share any information. I was just wondering where you got the 2% from. I've heard the KPN Nov 2020 #71

The polls were off in 2004 too election day. applegrove Nov 2020 #73

Sounds like mythmaking, the final polls were largely accurate in 2004 tritsofme Nov 2020 #81

The exit polls, which were published during election day in 2004, gave applegrove Nov 2020 #84

I don't think there is any real evidence that leaked early exit poll data, that were only available tritsofme Nov 2020 #88

So the MSM made a rule to never publish presidential vote exit polls applegrove Nov 2020 #97

They already had that rule, it was just flagrantly violated in 2004. tritsofme Nov 2020 #108

Those were exit polls. Apples and oranges. KPN Nov 2020 #87

They were false polling that may have kept democrats home from voting. applegrove Nov 2020 #111

Yes they were. And that may have even a coordinated strategy by KPN Nov 2020 #112

+1, people guessing. There's NOT ONE POLLING FIRM with an analysis of how they were off yet! NOT 1 uponit7771 Dec 2020 #118

I agree. BobTheSubgenius Nov 2020 #12

Call Trump's bluff and thoroughly investigate. Kingofalldems Nov 2020 #13

And proclaiming mail in voting fraudulent months before the election! KPN Nov 2020 #38

republicans openly do everything they can think of to suppress the vote Orangepeel Nov 2020 #14

It was those Dominion machines! ... But KPN Nov 2020 #40

It was those Dominion machines! ... But KPN Nov 2020 #85

agree something is fishy Grasswire2 Nov 2020 #15

I agree with every word you say, except the last sentence: planetc Nov 2020 #16

Okay, I should have been more precise in my wording. Jeebo Nov 2020 #72

I understand exactly what you meant, and applaud it. planetc Nov 2020 #74

I agree. And quietly we will go on and fix the messes the current Republican adm made. LizBeth Nov 2020 #17

Rove's 3 pct election fraud, plus the actual winning margin of 4 pct equals 7 percent. roamer65 Nov 2020 #18

+1 sandensea Nov 2020 #29

K&R n/t Kitchari Nov 2020 #19

tRUMP always projects. NT SayItLoud Nov 2020 #21

Unbelievable -- Both parties claiming there was fraud. Hoyt Nov 2020 #22

Except we objectively have the reality of Trumps cheating & voter suppression as factors .... uponit7771 Dec 2020 #119

At least we have confirmed that irony is alive and well. tritsofme Nov 2020 #23

For the most part, what we're talking about is Bettie Nov 2020 #32

I suggest you read SophieJean Nov 2020 #58

Greg Palast's hat is on too tight. progressoid Nov 2020 #79

You will probably say the same thing DENVERPOPS Nov 2020 #106

lol, now there's a clown I haven't thought of in a while. tritsofme Nov 2020 #109

+1 progressoid Nov 2020 #80

There was massive voter suppression in a lot of states as well as postal delays etc. appleannie1 Nov 2020 #24

Usually if Trump accuses someone of something twodogsbarking Nov 2020 #25

Fox Trotting DeSmet Nov 2020 #26

We have Bush's Help America Vote REPUBLICAN Act to thank for that sandensea Nov 2020 #27

How can we think that and Disaffected Nov 2020 #28

Cognitive dissonance. tritsofme Nov 2020 #31

because voting machine companies tend to be rightwing owned and more counties are GOP controlled LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #45

Suspicions, not evidence. Disaffected Nov 2020 #67

why bother polling then? LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #96

I dunno, Disaffected Nov 2020 #103

Can't. grantcart Nov 2020 #59

In the absence of evidence to the contrary, seems reasonable. nt Disaffected Nov 2020 #69

Voter suppression and voter fraud are two different acts that are no were close in implementation uponit7771 Dec 2020 #120

A view from the north luvtheGWN Nov 2020 #33

Probably just vote suppression Diraven Nov 2020 #34

definitely those are hugely important and may account for the discrepencies LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #47

THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 add 5.) there's no other developed country on earth who's polling is this .. uponit7771 Dec 2020 #121

You mean like moondust Nov 2020 #35

Yep. Easier to get away with big vote shifts there. LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #43

Defund the police and riots......... MRDAWG Nov 2020 #39

Yes, I posted about some of that here LymphocyteLover Nov 2020 #42

I'd like to see a study crud Nov 2020 #44

+1, I OP'd this a month ago; that the blue ran SoS states polling is closer to actual votes than red uponit7771 Dec 2020 #122

i've always wondered barbtries Nov 2020 #48

KY votes " R". He was the only "R" running. SharonAnn Nov 2020 #90

i know that's a lot of it. barbtries Nov 2020 #94

Absolutely dianaredwing Nov 2020 #51

My suspicion all along... GetRidOfThem Nov 2020 #53

trump tried and true suing when he breaks contracts is what he brought to the oval. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2020 #54

If I was a betting man....? kentuck Nov 2020 #57

Interesting how the machines were way ahead for Dump before the mail in ballots were diva77 Nov 2020 #60

I like the paper ballot. kentuck Nov 2020 #62

The best way to run elections is to have paper ballots, hand marked in secret and counted publicly diva77 Nov 2020 #64

Great ideas! kentuck Nov 2020 #66

Hand counts are fine if there is only 1 ballot issue. Pobeka Nov 2020 #83

You don't need 30 ballots per voter. You resort & restack for each race that is being counted. diva77 Nov 2020 #98

I totally agree that if there was fraud it was on the Republican Side linnknee Nov 2020 #63

Federalized elections? Just imagine the damage Trump would have done. intrepidity Dec 2020 #124

I agree if he could have cheated coeur_de_lion Nov 2020 #68

Maybe the "fix" was put in by Trump UCmeNdc Nov 2020 #76

We need to nuke the black box voting machines quakerboy Nov 2020 #77

Don't nearly all (or all?) machines now print a paper ballot? intrepidity Dec 2020 #123

tRump always cheats at everything. John Dean said he believed tRump believed it Texin Nov 2020 #78

I think at this point DENVERPOPS Nov 2020 #105

I agree with your premise. Don't forget about their moneybags: i.e., the Kochs, Texin Dec 2020 #113

The polls were not that wrong Botany Nov 2020 #82

I tend to agree... Trueblue Texan Nov 2020 #86

10 million people didn't suddenly decide they like Agolf now ( they didn't in 2016) robbedvoter Nov 2020 #89

I absolutely agree with you! PatrickforO Nov 2020 #91

They probably cheated, but not with the machines rolypolychloe Nov 2020 #92

I wouldn't draw any conclusions about repubs preferring low tech cheating diva77 Nov 2020 #100

...and it's said he gained votes from POC , I say that's where they hid the votes MaeScott Nov 2020 #93

That same discrepancy has been recurring for the last twenty years. paulkienitz Nov 2020 #101

I think that's why Trump is freaking out budkin Nov 2020 #102

No one DENVERPOPS Nov 2020 #104

I think we would have seen a replay of 2016 if covid hadn't made mail-in voting a thing. rocktivity Nov 2020 #107

It seems like it wouldn't take much to do a post election poll. rgbecker Nov 2020 #110

xactly, we should have post election audits anyway. There's no other developed country that has had uponit7771 Dec 2020 #115

**THANK YOU!!!*** I've been saying this for WEEKS !! Either US has worse polling of any developed .. uponit7771 Dec 2020 #114

To determine if it is voter suppression that is the problem.... rgbecker Dec 2020 #125

+1, this is another great point; LV voting is more granular and less noisy cause they know more ... uponit7771 Dec 2020 #126