I concur with your diagnosis: It was a perfect storm of sorts (Reply #99)

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rocktivity (44,290 posts)

99. I concur with your diagnosis: It was a perfect storm of sorts

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According to USA Today, 65 million 2020 election votes -- FORTY per cent of the nearly 160 million total -- were cast by mail, and in addition, 35 million people voted early/absentee. Compared to nearly 129 million votes cast in 2016, where did those extra 31 million votes come from? That apathetic "green zone!"

With a combination of overall higher turnout (despite the voter suppression attacks); most of Biden's votes being cast early or by mail; and only about just one third of the votes actually being cast on Election Day, maybe there just weren't enough blue in-person machine votes to flip.

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127 replies	Author	Time	Post
Y'know what? I suspect there WAS fraud in this election. [View all]	Jeebo	Nov 2020	OP
K&R	Blue Owl	Nov 2020	#1
if trump could have cheated	mushroomhunter	Nov 2020	#95
Voter suppression.	radius777	Nov 2020	#2
Tinfoil hat alert !	jaysunb	Nov 2020	#3
Exactly!	Iwasthere	Nov 2020	#8
"He was told the fix was in. He just couldn't have lost!"	LiberalLovinLug	Nov 2020	#61
I would love to see how many mail in	angstlessk	Nov 2020	#11
Don Jr was trying to claim that undervotes were fraudelent.	yellowdogintexas	Nov 2020	#49
Exactly, mail in votes cannot do down ballot voting	angstlessk	Nov 2020	#52
We voted absentee from abroad, and we could vote for President and congress critter only.	GoneOffShore	Nov 2020	#56
I tend to think this might be the case as well	Bettie	Nov 2020	#30
I do too, and I hope this is investigated. Nt	spooky3	Nov 2020	#36
I think you're right	Catherine Vincent	Nov 2020	#75
I concur with your diagnosis: It was a perfect storm of sorts	rocktivity	Nov 2020	#99
This message was self-deleted by its author	rocktivity	Jan 2021	#127
This doesn't mean the OP is off in thinking at all, both can be true.	uponit7771	Dec 2020	#116
Cheating and stealing have benefitted	FoxNewsSucks	Nov 2020	#4
EXACTLY! It worked in 2016 they planned a tweak for 2020. The republicans have been stealing......	usaf-vet	Nov 2020	#41
regarding Item 3, it is my experience that the reverse is true	yellowdogintexas	Nov 2020	#55
Maybe I worded it wrong BUT I think my #3 and your tally as written mean the same thing IMO.	usaf-vet	Nov 2020	#65
I agree, although it more likely was technically voter suppression	intrepidity	Nov 2020	#5
There was definitely voter suppression in Texas	TexasBushwhacker	Nov 2020	#70
+1, I've been saying for weeks the polling firms don't weight voter suppression accurately.	uponit7771	Dec 2020	#117
I wholly agree and said the same thing two weeks ago. The numbers/polling make absolutely	Hestia	Nov 2020	#6
I completely agree	pandr32	Nov 2020	#7
It's not only okay to believe this,	Iwasthere	Nov 2020	#9
8 years? Why not 12, 16? The (r)epuglicons will be fractured. The Democrats need to be strong	erronis	Nov 2020	#20
Republicans lying to pollster. 2% of republicans saying they are voting	applegrove	Nov 2020	#10
Where does that info come from?	KPN	Nov 2020	#37
The polls were off by 4%. Same thing happened to Kerry in 2004.	applegrove	Nov 2020	#46
In 2004, final polls were largely accurate in predicting a small Bush lead.	tritsofme	Nov 2020	#50
I didn't share any information. I was just wondering where you got the 2% from. I've heard the	KPN	Nov 2020	#71
The polls were off in 2004 too election day.	applegrove	Nov 2020	#73
Sounds like mythmaking, the final polls were largely accurate in 2004	tritsofme	Nov 2020	#81
The exit polls, which were published during election day in 2004, gave	applegrove	Nov 2020	#84
I don't think there is any real evidence that leaked early exit poll data, that were only available	tritsofme	Nov 2020	#88
So the MSM made a rule to never publish presidential vote exit polls	applegrove	Nov 2020	#97
They already had that rule, it was just flagrantly violated in 2004.	tritsofme	Nov 2020	#108
Those were exit polls. Apples and oranges.	KPN	Nov 2020	#87
They were false polling that may have kept democrats home from voting.	applegrove	Nov 2020	#111
Yes they were. And that may have even a coordinated strategy by	KPN	Nov 2020	#112
+1, people guessing. There's NOT ONE POLLING FIRM with an analysis of how they were off yet! NOT 1	uponit7771	Dec 2020	#118
I agree.	BobTheSubgenius	Nov 2020	#12
Call Trump's bluff and thoroughly investigate.	Kingofalldems	Nov 2020	#13
And proclaiming mail in voting fraudulent months before the election!	KPN	Nov 2020	#38
republicans openly do everything they can think of to suppress the vote	Orangepeel	Nov 2020	#14
It was those Dominion machines! ... But	KPN	Nov 2020	#40
It was those Dominion machines! ... But	KPN	Nov 2020	#85
agree something is fishy	Grasswire2	Nov 2020	#15
I agree with every word you say, except the last sentence:	planetc	Nov 2020	#16
Okay, I should have been more precise in my wording.	Jeebo	Nov 2020	#72
I understand exactly what you meant, and applaud it.	planetc	Nov 2020	#74
I agree. And quietly we will go on and fix the messes the current Republican adm made.	LizBeth	Nov 2020	#17
Rove's 3 pct election fraud, plus the actual winning margin of 4 pct equals 7 percent.	roamer65	Nov 2020	#18
+1	sandensea	Nov 2020	#29
K&R n/t	Kitchari	Nov 2020	#19
tRUMP always projects. NT	SayItLoud	Nov 2020	#21
Unbelievable -- Both parties claiming there was fraud.	Hoyt	Nov 2020	#22
Except we objectively have the reality of Trumps cheating & voter suppression as factors ....	uponit7771	Dec 2020	#119
At least we have confirmed that irony is alive and well.	tritsofme	Nov 2020	#23
For the most part, what we're talking about is	Bettie	Nov 2020	#32
I suggest you read	SophieJean	Nov 2020	#58
Greg Palast's hat is on too tight.	progressoid	Nov 2020	#79
You will probably say the same thing	DENVERPOPS	Nov 2020	#106
lol, now there's a clown I haven't thought of in a while.	tritsofme	Nov 2020	#109
+1	progressoid	Nov 2020	#80
There was massive voter suppression in a lot of states as well as postal delays etc.	appleannie1	Nov 2020	#24
Usually if Trump accuses someone of something	twodogsbarking	Nov 2020	#25
Fox Trotting	DeSmet	Nov 2020	#26
We have Bush's Help America Vote REPUBLICAN Act to thank for that	sandensea	Nov 2020	#27
How can we think that and	Disaffected	Nov 2020	#28
Cognitive dissonance.	tritsofme	Nov 2020	#31
because voting machine companies tend to be rightwing owned and more counties are GOP controlled	LymphocyteLover	Nov 2020	#45
Suspicions, not evidence.	Disaffected	Nov 2020	#67
why bother polling then?	LymphocyteLover	Nov 2020	#96
I dunno,	Disaffected	Nov 2020	#103
Can't.	grantcart	Nov 2020	#59
In the absence of evidence to the contrary, seems reasonable. nt	Disaffected	Nov 2020	#69
Voter suppression and voter fraud are two different acts that are no were close in implementation	uponit7771	Dec 2020	#120
A view from the north	luvtheGWN	Nov 2020	#33
Probably just vote suppression	Diraven	Nov 2020	#34
definitely those are hugely important and may account for the discrepencies	LymphocyteLover	Nov 2020	#47
THIS !!!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾 add 5.) there's no other developed country on earth who's polling is this ..	uponit7771	Dec 2020	#121
You mean like	moondust	Nov 2020	#35
Yep. Easier to get away with big vote shifts there.	LymphocyteLover	Nov 2020	#43
Defund the police and riots.........	MRDAWG	Nov 2020	#39
Yes, I posted about some of that here	LymphocyteLover	Nov 2020	#42
I'd like to see a study	crud	Nov 2020	#44
+1, I OP'd this a month ago; that the blue ran SoS states polling is closer to actual votes than red	uponit7771	Dec 2020	#122
i've always wondered	barbtries	Nov 2020	#48
KY votes " R". He was the only "R" running.	SharonAnn	Nov 2020	#90
i know that's a lot of it.	barbtries	Nov 2020	#94
Absolutely	dianaredwing	Nov 2020	#51
My suspicion all along...	GetRidOfThem	Nov 2020	#53
trump tried and true suing when he breaks contracts is what he brought to the oval.	SleeplessinSoCal	Nov 2020	#54
If I was a betting man....?	kentuck	Nov 2020	#57
Interesting how the machines were way ahead for Dump before the mail in ballots were	diva77	Nov 2020	#60
I like the paper ballot.	kentuck	Nov 2020	#62
The best way to run elections is to have paper ballots, hand marked in secret and counted publicly	diva77	Nov 2020	#64
Great ideas!	kentuck	Nov 2020	#66
Hand counts are fine if there is only 1 ballot issue.	Pobeka	Nov 2020	#83
You don't need 30 ballots per voter. You resort & restack for each race that is being counted.	diva77	Nov 2020	#98
I totally agree that if there was fraud it was on the Republican Side	linnknee	Nov 2020	#63
Federalized elections? Just imagine the damage Trump would have done.	intrepidity	Dec 2020	#124
I agree if he could have cheated	coeur_de_lion	Nov 2020	#68
Maybe the "fix" was put in by Trump	UCmeNdc	Nov 2020	#76
We need to nuke the black box voting machines	quakerboy	Nov 2020	#77
Don't nearly all (or all?) machines now print a paper ballot?	intrepidity	Dec 2020	#123
tRump always cheats at everything. John Dean said he believed tRump believed it	Texin	Nov 2020	#78
I think at this point	DENVERPOPS	Nov 2020	#105
I agree with your premise. Don't forget about their moneybags: i.e., the Kochs,	Texin	Dec 2020	#113
The polls were not that wrong	Botany	Nov 2020	#82
I tend to agree...	Trueblue Texan	Nov 2020	#86
10 million people didn't suddenly decide they like Agolf now ( they didn't in 2016)	robbedvoter	Nov 2020	#89
I absolutely agree with you!	PatrickforO	Nov 2020	#91
They probably cheated, but not with the machines	rolypolychloe	Nov 2020	#92
I wouldn't draw any conclusions about repubs preferring low tech cheating	diva77	Nov 2020	#100
...and it's said he gained votes from POC , I say that's where they hid the votes	MaeScott	Nov 2020	#93
That same discrepancy has been recurring for the last twenty years.	paulkienitz	Nov 2020	#101
I think that's why Trump is freaking out	budkin	Nov 2020	#102
No one	DENVERPOPS	Nov 2020	#104
I think we would have seen a replay of 2016 if covid hadn't made mail-in voting a thing.	rocktivity	Nov 2020	#107
It seems like it wouldn't take much to do a post election poll.	rgbecker	Nov 2020	#110
xactly, we should have post election audits anyway. There's no other developed country that has had	uponit7771	Dec 2020	#115
THANK YOU!!!* I've been saying this for WEEKS !! Either US has worse polling of any developed ..	uponit7771	Dec 2020	#114
To determine if it is voter suppression that is the problem....	rgbecker	Dec 2020	#125
+1, this is another great point; LV voting is more granular and less noisy cause they know more ...	uponit7771	Dec 2020	#126

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