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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
49. AND let's remember
Sun Nov 22, 2020, 05:44 PM
Nov 2020

Any Supreme Court ruling permitting a president to self-pardon could likely be extended to the states, thereby allowing governors to pardon themselves.

Imagine what a complete mess that would be!?

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2020 #1
No, Trump can't pardon himself. The Constitution tells us so. Add to list Gothmog Nov 2020 #2
The constitution only goes THIS far: elleng Nov 2020 #5
The Constitution does not say that a sitting president cannot be indicted csziggy Nov 2020 #10
It's merely a DoJ guideline, elleng Nov 2020 #14
Yes, but the "sitting president cannot be indicted" part has not been challeged - ever csziggy Nov 2020 #17
It's only a line in a memo about indicting Spiro Agnew. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Nov 2020 #18
Right. elleng Nov 2020 #50
And the (next) Attorney General could revoke it with the stroke of a pen. lastlib Nov 2020 #54
The Question DOES need to be addressed by the SC! ( i feel) bluestarone Nov 2020 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2020 #29
AND let's remember StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #49
NEVER even gave this a thought! TY bluestarone Nov 2020 #52
It's not been determined that he can't pardon himself, and the way to test whether he can The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #3
Agree BUT bluestarone Nov 2020 #9
It doesn't work that way. The court has to have a case before it - The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #26
ok Gotcha! TY bluestarone Nov 2020 #37
Short answer: Yes. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #39
TY very much. Understanding better here. Can i ask of youtwo more questions? (if Rump does not do it bluestarone Nov 2020 #40
Since the power to pardon is in the Constitution and is not limited there, The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #42
Again TY bluestarone Nov 2020 #43
Isn't part of accepting a pardon admitting to the crime for which the person has been pardoned? LastLiberal in PalmSprings Nov 2020 #19
Not really. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #22
No, that is a common myth sarisataka Nov 2020 #23
You've provided great explanations in this thread. Thanks! StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #48
The SC needs to go on record supporting or denying self pardons exboyfil Nov 2020 #4
They don't do that. The Supreme Court doesn't "go on record" about an issue The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #24
I met to imply that the AG's US Attorney or a Special Prosecutor exboyfil Nov 2020 #27
So be it matt819 Nov 2020 #7
It is untested so it would end up before SCOTUS however I do think SCOTUS will find it Statistical Nov 2020 #8
RIGHT! and bluestarone Nov 2020 #13
Nope onenote Nov 2020 #36
I thought they stated no one is above the law pertaining to his taxes (state of course) bluestarone Nov 2020 #38
You're thinking of the Trump v. Vance opinion onenote Nov 2020 #47
You're right, like usual! bluestarone Nov 2020 #53
OH WHO CARES? essme Nov 2020 #11
If he did everything lawfully and was such a law abiding president why did he self pardon himself kimbutgar Nov 2020 #12
An interesting part is bluestarone Nov 2020 #15
Not so. See #22. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2020 #28
I gotta say her and now that i really expect him to test it and bluestarone Nov 2020 #16
this would go to Supreme Court and the chance of it being ruled invalid is enough that beachbumbob Nov 2020 #20
THIS is another GOOD thought bluestarone Nov 2020 #21
I'm sure he won't take that chance, when all he has to do is resign MineralMan Nov 2020 #25
I think you are right exboyfil Nov 2020 #30
Pence will have gotten his reward in being the 46th President, and he's not going to double OnDoutside Nov 2020 #32
No Pressure Needed. MineralMan Nov 2020 #35
Whether a Self-pardon is possible, or President Pence pardons him, the question I posed on Friday OnDoutside Nov 2020 #31
The only argument against it is to keep his viability for 2024 exboyfil Nov 2020 #33
We do know he only looks to win the moment, so I don't think it matters, OnDoutside Nov 2020 #45
Scenario, Trump has Federal pardon, which doesn't actually stop investigation, it beachbumbob Nov 2020 #34
My suspicion is that Biden would be happier if trump takes the pardon. OnDoutside Nov 2020 #44
Let him pardon himself. marie999 Nov 2020 #41
no he can't because self pardon does not pass any logic test... Takket Nov 2020 #46
If election to the presidency is a Get Out of Jail Free card for any future candidate Mr. Ected Nov 2020 #51
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