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mattvermont

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9. so are you suggesting

Mon Jan 9, 2012, 10:36 PM

Jan 2012

that any other means of destruction of the offending machinery is appropriate, given the threat?
Just want to know what is acceptable within the movement.

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14 Cattle Trucks Burned by Activists at Harris Ranch in Coalinga, California [View all] Omaha Steve Jan 2012 OP

Some burn trucks, some abortion clinics The Straight Story Jan 2012 #1

Most of the time it takes self immolation to get a reaction. WingDinger Jan 2012 #2

When we have the ability to clone ourselves we can immolate our clone The Straight Story Jan 2012 #3

I wish... ellisonz Jan 2012 #25

Eye for an eye, anyone? nt mattvermont Jan 2012 #4

The California Penal Code doesn't allow for that, but you can get a life sentence for arson slackmaster Jan 2012 #35

Only if there is a death in an act of arson... hang a left Jan 2012 #54

Death is always a risk when someone commits arson slackmaster Jan 2012 #57

You and I shall agree.. hang a left Jan 2012 #58

Terrorism Gore1FL Jan 2012 #5

Hardcore animal liberationist here, denouncing the use of fire or anything that goes ka-boom. flvegan Jan 2012 #6

so are you suggesting mattvermont Jan 2012 #9

I'm not suggesting anything so vague. "Any other means"...no thanks. flvegan Jan 2012 #11

Al I am trying to say mattvermont Jan 2012 #12

Again, Rule #4. flvegan Jan 2012 #19

Thanks for your more moderate POV. Zalatix Jan 2012 #65

+1. Yep. n/t ceile Jan 2012 #73

Bullshit. I'll tell you why they "waited for news reports." Robb Jan 2012 #7

They were extremely lucky that they killed no one. Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #16

ZERO human injuries ever =/= "extremely lucky" jsmirman Jan 2012 #47

Pure luck no one was killed. Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #48

You do understand how statistics work, right? jsmirman Jan 2012 #50

Keep defending violent domestic terrorists. Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #52

Non-fact Major Nikon Jan 2012 #64

Wow, no violence against property allowed even for a good cause. You are hard core. Vattel Jan 2012 #77

Keep minimizing their actions if it makes you feel better Major Nikon Jan 2012 #83

Ridiculous jsmirman Jan 2012 #84

Homes firebombed? Nah, never... hardluck Jan 2012 #94

This is what I can tell you jsmirman Jan 2012 #95

Some of what you mention there refers to the "AETA 4" jsmirman Jan 2012 #96

No support here. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #8

Harris Ranch is vile XemaSab Jan 2012 #10

Are there any Valley feedlots or dairy farms that are not vile? hunter Jan 2012 #15

well said..............n/t dhill926 Jan 2012 #18

Yes catchnrelease Jan 2012 #24

I also do not support the use of violence even to property to make a political point. JDPriestly Jan 2012 #13

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Oh my, an act of war on a private industry in a sovereign nation. Will be interesting, this one. K&R T S Justly Jan 2012 #17

Domestic terrorism pipoman Jan 2012 #20

Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act joshcryer Jan 2012 #22

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #21

You're ... T S Justly Jan 2012 #26

response barbols2009 Jan 2012 #29

Yes cpaddack2011 Jan 2012 #33

Good cause harmed by egregious tactics. Matariki Jan 2012 #23

That feed lot is an obscenity. Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2012 #27

What ever your opinions on animals as food, this is terrorism and is wrong. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #28

Do a little research F.Y.I. Jan 2012 #30

BS, BS, BS!!! And Koch Industries is a "family run corporation" jsmirman Jan 2012 #44

+1 n/t ceile Jan 2012 #53

You're confusing farms with slaughterhouses Major Nikon Jan 2012 #66

Do you know what "vertical integration" is??? jsmirman Jan 2012 #85

Nice comeback Major Nikon Jan 2012 #87

What in the world are you talking about? jsmirman Jan 2012 #91

COWARDS cpaddack2011 Jan 2012 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Jan 2012 #32

That's fucked up like a football bat slackmaster Jan 2012 #34

were there cows in trucks? ddeclue Jan 2012 #36

why can't factory farms just be totally illegal? alp227 Jan 2012 #37

Because the vast majority CAN'T afford to buy organic free-range grass-fed downwardly_mobile Jan 2012 #39

where in the constitution is there a right to eat meat? why not go back to the family farm instead? alp227 Jan 2012 #40

The US Constitution does not grant rights. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #41

The Monkey Wrench Gang rides again. OxQQme Jan 2012 #38

Only in California.... Liveinit Jan 2012 #42

Yes, you live the same as these animals in factory farms jsmirman Jan 2012 #46

Oh bull-motherfucking-shit. Codeine Jan 2012 #55

Always jsmirman Jan 2012 #59

just shows Liveinit Jan 2012 #43

Fact: ZERO people have been injured by animal activists in America jsmirman Jan 2012 #45

Financial and psychological injury count as injuries slackmaster Jan 2012 #49

Corporations are NOT PEOPLE, facilities are NOT PEOPLE jsmirman Jan 2012 #51

Do you actually believe that individual people suffer no harm when property belonging to a business slackmaster Jan 2012 #56

You know damn well that's not what I said jsmirman Jan 2012 #60

Nice false choice slackmaster Jan 2012 #61

A suggestion this might not be "terrorism": jsmirman Jan 2012 #93

I'm not sure whose use of the words "terror" and "terrorism" you are railing against slackmaster Jan 2012 #98

The Government's definition jsmirman Jan 2012 #99

"...you can't even find me a badly sprained ankle..." Hmm. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #80

I don't believe there were ever any arrests made in that incident jsmirman Jan 2012 #88

What do I win? flvegan Jan 2012 #70

I don't think there is any proven link between that and animal activists jsmirman Jan 2012 #97

Can we assume your other posts are of similar accuracy? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #79

As I said, no arrests made jsmirman Jan 2012 #89

Good. LeftyMom Jan 2012 #62

Yes, terrorism is always good and we should celebrate it Major Nikon Jan 2012 #67

Property damage isn't terrorism. LeftyMom Jan 2012 #68

Do you really think this is as simple as property damage? Major Nikon Jan 2012 #69

Nice strawman. The "ballot box"? "Terrorism"? ceile Jan 2012 #72

What exactly do you think terrorism is? Major Nikon Jan 2012 #74

I guess we're of a different mindset. ceile Jan 2012 #75

I've heard better arguments from the anti-abortionists Major Nikon Jan 2012 #76

. ceile Jan 2012 #78

Then these church burnings weren't terrorism? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #82

I wouldn't call that terrorism Major Nikon Jan 2012 #90

Church = Production facility??? jsmirman Jan 2012 #92

What's the carbon footprint Fla_Democrat Jan 2012 #63

This is the "good" sort of arson. There isn't any. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #81

Is that like Fla_Democrat Jan 2012 #86

An ugly and criminal act Yo_Mama Jan 2012 #71