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Fri Nov 6, 2020, 02:35 PM Nov 2020

the scary thing is, i think it's now clear donnie would have won easily if it weren't for covid-19 [View all]

and his utterly botched handling of the crisis.

i think the whole denial, refusing to help states, interfering with good medical advice, refusing to have a national plan, not encouraging proper social distancing, trying to get everyone back to work and back to school prematurely, and most notably, the whole anti-mask thing -- all of this crap, i think it cost him a lot of votes.

a lot of the selfish republicans and independents who are happy to support a bigot and a crook as long as they get their tax cut realize that any tax cut the benefit from doesn't offset the cost of a lost job or business due to a president so incompetent that he makes a crisis like this drag out much longer and damage the economy much more than it needed to.

and with all that, our win, at least in the electoral college, was pretty narrow.


which means that had he handled it remotely competently, he very likely would have won, despite still being a massive bigot, sexist, racist, xenophobic, criminal, incompetent sh*thead.

scary.



eta: in terms of what-ifs, i think there are two scenarios.
(1) what if donnie had handled covid-19 remotely competently and
(2) what if covid-19 had never happened at all.

i was thinking in terms of (1) when i posted this, and let the limited space for the subject line make my header a bit unclear on that.
in terms of (2), i can see that there are not having covid-19 happen at all changes many things politically and maybe it's less clear donnie would have won in that case, though i'm still pretty sure he would have won even then.

but certainly, had we done what most other countries did, had a 8-weeks or so lock down starting in march or even february and then massive distribution of ppe and ramping up of hospital space and properly encouraged social distancing and mask-wearing everywhere and then reopened cautiously with massive testing and contact tracing and quarantining, then i think the economy would have largely bounced back to where it was and donnie would have been hailed as a capable leader through a crisis and he would have won easily.

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I think the opposite. W_HAMILTON Nov 2020 #1
I agree with you but for a different reason Buckeyeblue Nov 2020 #21
That could be true as well. W_HAMILTON Nov 2020 #28
That's true. If he had come up with a clear cut plan and had taken charge of the situation, Arkansas Granny Nov 2020 #2
Probably, and even if he had handled the COVID-19 crisis with a bit more... SKKY Nov 2020 #3
Trump botched his whole Presidency C_U_L8R Nov 2020 #4
Without Covid, the economy would be fine and we would've lost everything Wanderlust988 Nov 2020 #5
Not true. W_HAMILTON Nov 2020 #29
Not sure about that. I saw an article that said the areas that voted for trump have the highest Thekaspervote Nov 2020 #6
With his supporters, I really do believe Resistance1 Nov 2020 #7
Trump could even kill them, and they would still.. ananda Nov 2020 #17
disagree jcgoldie Nov 2020 #8
Allan Lichtman says Trump would have easily won Polybius Nov 2020 #11
There was bound to be some crisis. No matter what it was, he couldn't handle it. Jim__ Nov 2020 #9
The limited campaigning was something that hurt Democrats JI7 Nov 2020 #10
I'm not sure that's correct DonaldsRump Nov 2020 #12
If Trump kept his same positions but didn't Tweet insane stuff and was polite in the first debate... Polybius Nov 2020 #13
I completely agree that were it not for COVID, Trump would have won re-election. Earthshine2 Nov 2020 #14
It sure looks that way. Hard to believe what this country has become. yonder Nov 2020 #15
Don't agree, He hasn't done squat to gain support in the 4 years, but lots to lose it! Brainfodder Nov 2020 #16
As horrifying and depressing a thought as it was Grokenstein Nov 2020 #18
I think the pandemic was a rare moment of crisis Docreed2003 Nov 2020 #19
Yes. Covid-19 made the difference. anamnua Nov 2020 #20
I think he would've lost anyway. torius Nov 2020 #22
I disagree kurtcagle Nov 2020 #23
I can tell you pretty authoritatively Arthur_Frain Nov 2020 #24
People here were waiting for Trump to tell them what to think cherish44 Nov 2020 #25
If not for Covid, there would have been something else for treestar Nov 2020 #26
I don't think it is that obvious genxlib Nov 2020 #27
I would also posit an alternate threory genxlib Nov 2020 #30
I've always believed this. There was a mass delusion about his competence in handling the economy.nt Blasphemer Nov 2020 #31
Could have went anyway vercetti2021 Nov 2020 #32
Yep. If he had remotely handled SARS-COV-2 competently, he would have walked to re-election. Blue_true Nov 2020 #33
But Covid changed how the Dems campaigned. alarimer Nov 2020 #34
He was already toast from mishandling a string of police shootings and protests. ucrdem Nov 2020 #35
**to all those who believe that covid-19 hampered our ability to get out the vote**: unblock Nov 2020 #36
He blew it with the election himself GusBob Nov 2020 #37
i think he completely lost the plot over the last year. unblock Nov 2020 #38
Asking Trump to manage anything competently is like asking me to close games for the Yankees. Yavin4 Nov 2020 #39
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