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dkf

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95. Do you believe you can count on and should depend on other people's wealth to provide
Mon Oct 1, 2012, 04:21 PM
Oct 2012

the lifestyle you want?

Do you know what your current retirement age is? DURHAM D Oct 2012 #1
More live to retirement age, but not really "longer" SharonAnn Oct 2012 #144
Because waitresses, hotel maids, janitors, nurses, etc still are hedgehog Oct 2012 #2
+1 Liberal Veteran Oct 2012 #6
this.... quality of life issues justabob Oct 2012 #16
+1 obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #23
Other countries retire at 60. robinlynne Oct 2012 #25
A DUer posted a few weeks ago about the prospect of "working to age 70" KansDem Oct 2012 #38
My Mom was a nurse and she was ready to retire at 55 - she was really worn out hedgehog Oct 2012 #44
Too many think that it would be easy to work until 70 or so. LiberalFighter Oct 2012 #80
I have been all of those, and a truck driver too! Care Acutely Oct 2012 #66
I'm an RN. I've done ER work for 30 years. I can't do it anymore and I am in GOOD SHAPE.. K Gardner Oct 2012 #90
Amen Horse with no Name Oct 2012 #114
Farmer here. Same thing - 30+ years at this kind of labor, in good shape, but TIRED riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #122
We have a good friend, a plumber, who had worked on his knees for 38 years and just retired CTyankee Oct 2012 #92
lord, I've been waitressing for 17 years now... Maine-ah Oct 2012 #121
Answer: How many companies employ people in their 60s? Where is it that you think people are going antigop Oct 2012 #3
you really think poor people are living longer and longer? CBGLuthier Oct 2012 #4
Yes, and the people who work in physically demanding jobs... Liberal Veteran Oct 2012 #11
Why do some people pay SS tax on 100% of their salary.. peace13 Oct 2012 #5
"The trouble is that the politicians raid the bank" arcane1 Oct 2012 #13
It could be considered treestar Oct 2012 #7
Why should it? mmonk Oct 2012 #8
It should only be modified based on facts... zaj Oct 2012 #17
You did not answer my question. DURHAM D Oct 2012 #20
why not raise taxes on the wealthy to put more money into the program? robinlynne Oct 2012 #26
The people who most depend on social security ARE THE ONES who work hard OKNancy Oct 2012 #9
I respect that, but... zaj Oct 2012 #27
Two points nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #69
The security of elders and older workers okasha Oct 2012 #130
Because we should be trying to improve our standard of living, not keeping it the same. randome Oct 2012 #10
That's an interesting assumption.. zaj Oct 2012 #37
Well, there are arguments below about reducing the age to 55. randome Oct 2012 #43
I agree with the other poster whole heartedly. ieoeja Oct 2012 #87
Actually check your numbers nadinbrzezinski Oct 2012 #12
Fair enough... zaj Oct 2012 #29
Do you know anything about current policy or DURHAM D Oct 2012 #41
you have to understand the numbers before saying that hollysmom Oct 2012 #64
+1 nt Live and Learn Oct 2012 #31
thanks 2pooped2pop Oct 2012 #60
First, because life expectancy is actually stagnant or decreasing for a significant fraction of HiPointDem Oct 2012 #14
+1 KurtNYC Oct 2012 #21
+2 nt Live and Learn Oct 2012 #32
Thanks for the links. hay rick Oct 2012 #116
^ this lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #123
ACTUALLY, THE RETIREMENT AGE IS TOO HIGH ProSense Oct 2012 #15
Exactly! nt SunSeeker Oct 2012 #24
Yes. The young need the jobs Live and Learn Oct 2012 #36
But where does the money come from? mythology Oct 2012 #136
Because rising life expectancy is already factored into Social Security MannyGoldstein Oct 2012 #18
Because we should be improving Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #19
For that matter, Art_from_Ark Oct 2012 #111
Because it will raise unemployment and misery. SunSeeker Oct 2012 #22
I think it should be lowered obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #28
And a big plus to you. GoneOffShore Oct 2012 #40
..... obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #99
It should be lowered and the CAP on wages should be eliminated. Vincardog Oct 2012 #76
+1 obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #100
Wrong tama Oct 2012 #30
How about people working in factories, doing physical labor, or high-risk jobs? Zen Democrat Oct 2012 #33
I can actually think of a couple of reasons. mysuzuki2 Oct 2012 #34
If we don't raise the retirement age, how else can we make it pay for itself long-term? reformist2 Oct 2012 #35
Lift the freaking SS tax (FICA) cap! SunSeeker Oct 2012 #46
Raise the cap. Liberal Veteran Oct 2012 #47
I'm OK with that, but it does change SS from an insurance plan to a hybrid insurer/welfare program. reformist2 Oct 2012 #59
Sorry to break it to you but exboyfil Oct 2012 #67
I'd like to see the age dropped to 55. GoneOffShore Oct 2012 #39
After removal of the cap exboyfil Oct 2012 #68
Because for many people, their work is physically demanding The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2012 #42
the cap should be raised, not the age. Retirement opens jobs for the young larkrake Oct 2012 #45
It's strange to me... ljm2002 Oct 2012 #48
Well wait until you're about 60 and see how enthusiastic you are about raising the retirement age. Ganja Ninja Oct 2012 #49
+100 n/t whathehell Oct 2012 #101
"the nature of our work" shanti Oct 2012 #50
Because there's more to life than work... Comrade_McKenzie Oct 2012 #51
So you want to privatize SS? DURHAM D Oct 2012 #53
Nearly every reasonably compensated individual exboyfil Oct 2012 #71
We live longer but longer life doesn't necessarily mean longer productive life aint_no_life_nowhere Oct 2012 #52
life expectancy is falling for some groups. n/t Cobalt Violet Oct 2012 #54
what would you rather have? Locrian Oct 2012 #55
Other countries don't use age, but total number of years worked. It makes more sense mainer Oct 2012 #56
Why shouldn't we raise the cap and make the better off contribute on 100% of their income?? tokenlib Oct 2012 #57
I'm sorry, but... Oilwellian Oct 2012 #58
"People live longer" is a fallacious argument nichomachus Oct 2012 #61
touche! Carolina Oct 2012 #139
I am gobsmacked that you could start such an asinine thread. tech3149 Oct 2012 #62
OK, let's start with YOUR cohort. Age 80 before you collect a dime of what you paid in. Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #63
Not just your body, but your mind. HughBeaumont Oct 2012 #81
If I had the money, I'd retire now, too Lydia Leftcoast Oct 2012 #94
Learn something new every day here. Ikonoklast Oct 2012 #96
Because money grows on trees and you can always get someone young to pay more to support you. dkf Oct 2012 #65
A decent retirement income and adequate medical care is not too much to ask. dawg Oct 2012 #84
Do you believe you can count on and should depend on other people's wealth to provide dkf Oct 2012 #95
It's MY freaking wealth. It came from the sweat of my brow. SunSeeker Oct 2012 #109
The lifestyle I want? dawg Oct 2012 #117
There were 6 others who helped provide for each person in the generation ahead of you. dkf Oct 2012 #124
Yes, but our GDP has increased massively over the last fifty years, even ... dawg Oct 2012 #125
Social security tries to keep a link between payments and benefits. dkf Oct 2012 #134
It has always been a government program. dawg Oct 2012 #135
But what are you entitled to if there is no connection to your benefits? dkf Oct 2012 #140
You know, you're the one who came up with the "no connection" bit. dawg Oct 2012 #142
No...there is a positive real rate of return at almost every level. A slightly negative one the top dkf Oct 2012 #145
That's good information. It proves that very little additional revenue is needed. dawg Oct 2012 #146
We are not living longer! The infant B Calm Oct 2012 #70
First, repay the "borrowed" funds. Daemonaquila Oct 2012 #72
Because many jobs are too physically demanding for older folks. Odin2005 Oct 2012 #73
Social Security doesn't dictate a retirement date. BlueStreak Oct 2012 #74
It has been raised CreekDog Oct 2012 #75
Because so far my generation has had minimum wage frozen for two record setting ten year periods, slampoet Oct 2012 #77
HERE'S PRECISELY WHY THE SS AGE SHOULD NOT BE RAISED - Koch Bros. are behind it... Must-see Video -- Indi Guy Oct 2012 #78
Well looky there Oilwellian Oct 2012 #82
I think this info/video... Indi Guy Oct 2012 #97
Thank you for the videos! SunSeeker Oct 2012 #107
I don't know how old you are but you probably haven't experienced ageism at work yet Matariki Oct 2012 #79
80 will never be the average human longevity. WinkyDink Oct 2012 #83
Pessimist! dawg Oct 2012 #86
If we ever really did have a major across-the-board increase in life expectancy ... dawg Oct 2012 #85
The longer life spans are not equally distributed across demographic groups . . . markpkessinger Oct 2012 #88
There aren't enough jobs to keep all the young people employed. Blue_In_AK Oct 2012 #89
that's my answer Enrique Oct 2012 #91
+1000 wickerwoman Oct 2012 #115
Several reasons. Zalatix Oct 2012 #93
Because I paid into it my whole working life at the higher rate... JHB Oct 2012 #98
get back to us when you are 65 Skittles Oct 2012 #102
you know, my dad's girlfriend worked at a laundry facility. ejpoeta Oct 2012 #103
you must be young. spanone Oct 2012 #104
How old are you? RC Oct 2012 #105
+1 area51 Oct 2012 #149
I'll be 62 next week, and I'm tired NOW dammit! Retirement age has already been pushed up to 67, so txwhitedove Oct 2012 #106
If you factor out infant mortality B Calm Oct 2012 #108
I'm a 58 y.o. waitress HeeBGBz Oct 2012 #110
First and foremost, increasing the labor pool diminishes wages TheKentuckian Oct 2012 #112
Ever try to get a job over 50? marlakay Oct 2012 #113
How old are you? Javaman Oct 2012 #118
Because it's an unnecessary benefit CUT, plain and simple. It will cause hardship. jtown1123 Oct 2012 #119
If you're a white collar worker that may not seem extreme, but doccraig67 Oct 2012 #120
i just read where we are not living as long. and ... where are the jobs???? nt seabeyond Oct 2012 #126
People who do hard physical work are used up in their 50s Warpy Oct 2012 #127
55 really? What about those who are 54, should it not be protected still_one Oct 2012 #128
Because its good enough the way it is. MichiganVote Oct 2012 #129
The age of eligablity should be going DOWN not up bowens43 Oct 2012 #131
Because 60 is still 60. Even if you live longer. Why should they not be able to more easily enjoy... NCTraveler Oct 2012 #132
Its interesting zaj hasn't come back to reply to many requests for his/her age and occupation riderinthestorm Oct 2012 #133
Bodies wear out! Carolina Oct 2012 #137
Are you saying Glitterati Oct 2012 #138
Bless your heart! Thanks so much for your concern! ANSWER: Zorra Oct 2012 #141
my father retired from a factory--he was pretty much used up dembotoz Oct 2012 #143
It's a much bigger stimulus to the economy to retire early, like in France librechik Oct 2012 #147
Suppose you raise the retirement age.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #148
Economic reason - the longer you force working class people to labor at full-time jobs haele Oct 2012 #150
I have a question too. Why shouldn't the cap be raised instead of eligibility age? notadmblnd Oct 2012 #151
It's already 67 Yo_Mama Oct 2012 #152
Ever worked in the coal mines? Sekhmets Daughter Oct 2012 #153
Some of us still have physically demanding jobs. Codeine Oct 2012 #154
Hell, I work a desk job. I can't imagine being able to keep up with it till 67, much less 70 and TheKentuckian Oct 2012 #156
Because people with, for instance, good public service sector jobs are forced out at 65 and kestrel91316 Oct 2012 #155
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