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Javaman

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66. Woe just wow.

Reply to W_HAMILTON (Reply #33)

Thu Nov 5, 2020, 03:32 PM

Nov 2020

You’re certainly not helping yourself. Need a bigger shovel?

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AOC: Why do we listen to people who lost elections as if they are experts in winning elections? [View all] melman Nov 2020 OP

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AOC is awesome and is an amazing Democrat. PTWB Nov 2020 #4

Then she should get her ass off Twitter and prove it. W_HAMILTON Nov 2020 #13

She's a rep in NYC Javaman Nov 2020 #61

I like her too...but this election has shown clearly that we can't win the Senate in red states Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #27

Has it? PTWB Nov 2020 #29

Exactly! nt gabeana Nov 2020 #36

I like AOC, but she would not have won in Kentucky. Malmsy Nov 2020 #117

I live in a purple state and we ran a moderate candidate Jspur Nov 2020 #42

But yet a red state like Florida passed a progressive measure like $15/hr min wage. Doremus Nov 2020 #99

Polls have consistently favored progressive polices such as universal healthcare, free college, Jspur Nov 2020 #100

John Dingell SENIOR introduced universal health care insurance (not just "universal health care")... George II Nov 2020 #220

It was a different era where people loved and Jspur Nov 2020 #295

It was proven back in 2018 that we can't win in red states or "middle America" without .... George II Nov 2020 #62

We ran a moderate in KY Bettie Nov 2020 #87

And you think that running someone less moderate would have done better ehrnst Nov 2020 #110

Amy McGrath is not a moderate Wanderlust988 Nov 2020 #133

Do you actually think BainsBane Nov 2020 #183

That proved to be true here in AZ in 2018 with Krysten Sinema DesertRat Nov 2020 #89

many of the fails Senate-wise where the more moderate ones from the primaries Celerity Nov 2020 #198

I think that she's more Justice Democrat. n/t Malmsy Nov 2020 #116

AOC is a Democratic candidate and office holder Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #11

Post removed Post removed Nov 2020 #16

Sound like Republicans are attacking Democrats Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #17

AOC is claiming she knows better how to win voters over in these states. W_HAMILTON Nov 2020 #19

Link? Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #23

Link to what? W_HAMILTON Nov 2020 #26

To prove your accusations Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #28

It's up to HER to prove HER claims. W_HAMILTON Nov 2020 #33

Thanks for admitting Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #37

I can prove it: W_HAMILTON Nov 2020 #43

Not proof but opinion Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #51

Woe just wow. Javaman Nov 2020 #66

Seriously. H2O Man Nov 2020 #249

Here's one, where she got into it with Tammy Duckworth. As it turned out.... George II Nov 2020 #83

Link just shows the headline. Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #84

Here are the first four paragraphs: George II Nov 2020 #88

Thanks but Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #90

That was a response to comments made on Twitter about Midwestern Democratic candidates being too.... George II Nov 2020 #92

What comments? Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #93

Like I said, I don't know how to find 2+ year old tweets. George II Nov 2020 #95

Here's a link to twitter's advanced search melman Nov 2020 #96

Not interested in going back more than two years to "answer" something that's obvious. But thanks. George II Nov 2020 #242

Okay melman Nov 2020 #246

No, I know they exist. Just not interested in doing someone else's work for him/her. You're welcome. George II Nov 2020 #252

No melman Nov 2020 #255

Is there anything in the article? Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #97

Exactly - moderate and centrist Democrats are the future of the party AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #156

The republicans are now painting every Democrat as a Jspur Nov 2020 #46

I think that was what lost us Florida. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2020 #147

Unfortunatelyi her endorsement in Iowa for Greenfield didn't help Greenfield still_one Nov 2020 #104

A week or so ago she was urging New York voters to vote on the Working Families Line, NOT.... George II Nov 2020 #18

So were Schumer and Gilibrand Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #22

Here is what McCaskill said about the Democratic Party in the clip in the OP: Mariana Nov 2020 #47

So? Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #52

It's funny to read folks squawking that AOC is criticizing the Democratic Party Mariana Nov 2020 #59

Yes melman Nov 2020 #73

Actually she wasn't criticizing the Democratic Party, not at all. George II Nov 2020 #74

Exactly Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #77

But you said AOC should be criticized for criticizing the Democratic party. ehrnst Nov 2020 #200

Yes she should Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #216

And you're right about AOC. My apologies. ehrnst Nov 2020 #344

That's your opinion Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #349

Irrelevant. No one said they weren't... what did that strawman ever do to you? ehrnst Nov 2020 #471

Just as I thought Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #477

Irrelevant. ehrnst Nov 2020 #478

Weak Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #480

Lulz... just sayin' what you would. ehrnst Nov 2020 #482

More projection. ehrnst Nov 2020 #484

A turd with a D next to it wins in her district. SlogginThroughIt Nov 2020 #53

So you're defending a TV Pundit Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #55

I am defending a former dem politician SlogginThroughIt Nov 2020 #56

Former, being the operative work, Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #57

Ok... SlogginThroughIt Nov 2020 #58

So it was wrong for her to defend the party Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #78

Good Lord. SlogginThroughIt Nov 2020 #80

Thanks! Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #85

One could describe AOC as a "pundit," as much as she's on the media. ehrnst Nov 2020 #123

She's an elected Democratic Party representative Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #125

So that makes everything she says more valuable than any former Party representative, ehrnst Nov 2020 #129

. melman Nov 2020 #131

. ehrnst Nov 2020 #135

No it means she shouldn't get slammed Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #137

You were the one slamming people for being paid to appear, if they were former politicians. ehrnst Nov 2020 #140

I never slammed anyone for being a pundit Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #146

This was you, yes? ehrnst Nov 2020 #148

Thanks for proving my point Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #152

I didn't put these words there. ehrnst Nov 2020 #155

McCaskill wasn't just any former Party representative, she was a former Senator... George II Nov 2020 #142

Yes. She has had more successes in her career than a freshman house member, and more exprerience. ehrnst Nov 2020 #144

Big deal Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #161

And being a sitting democratic freshmen congressperson does not automatically bestow more worth ehrnst Nov 2020 #179

Never said it did Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #185

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Nov 2020 #221

So I guess that's a no Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #231

Her success as a Senator is called "experience." This is why she a "political analyst" ehrnst Nov 2020 #287

Seems to me melman Nov 2020 #290

Well said Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #300

Projection? ehrnst Nov 2020 #345

I don't think so melman Nov 2020 #365

"rage filled" ehrnst Nov 2020 #370

And it's a shame that some can't handle criticism Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #299

Some just can't handle criticism of a freshman congressperson who is clearly irritated ehrnst Nov 2020 #354

Nope Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #359

Yep! ehrnst Nov 2020 #421

Nope Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #427

Yep! ehrnst Nov 2020 #433

Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman are former Democratic Senators Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #149

Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama are former Democratic POTUS, who are paid for appearances. ehrnst Nov 2020 #154

Did AOC criticize Obama or Carter? Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #160

Nice attempt at a derail...this is about you refusing to acknowledge the logical extension of your ehrnst Nov 2020 #171

No it calling out a false equivalency Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #174

Because you say so? I've pointed out the very uncomfortable fact that your dismissive ehrnst Nov 2020 #182

No it is because it is Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #186

You're still trying to double down on a gaffe and it's embarrassing. ehrnst Nov 2020 #193

Those politicians changed their party and outright betrayed the dems. DLCWIdem Nov 2020 #163

So is bringing up Carter and Obama. Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #165

It's an attempt at evading being called out on a gaffe. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2020 #184

Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman spoke at the republican National Convention. Has McCaskill? George II Nov 2020 #169

True and were rightly criticized for it Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #172

You're comparing a comment made by McCaskill on a political talk show to two "Democrats".... George II Nov 2020 #194

I know. The false equivalence is breathtaking. ehrnst Nov 2020 #197

And some are comparing a former Senator Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #218

Actually, the comparison began with your assertion R B Garr Nov 2020 #224

Well if they appeared on TV, anyway. ehrnst Nov 2020 #228

Ah, AOCs comment was about not listening to R B Garr Nov 2020 #234

I never picked Carter Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #238

Actually, I used Hillary as an example of a Democrat R B Garr Nov 2020 #251

That still doesn't mean Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #256

The same goes for AOC. She can be criticized for her R B Garr Nov 2020 #259

Sure she can Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #264

You've been rather testy and have gone on the offensive when someone actually has.. ehrnst Nov 2020 #288

Projection Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #298

Projection of projection. ehrnst Nov 2020 #348

Projection of projection of projection Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #350

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Nov 2020 #353

Projection of projection of projection of projection Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #360

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Nov 2020 #470

Already did Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #476

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Nov 2020 #479

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Nov 2020 #481

I was responding to someone else who stated that McCaskill was less worthy than AOC ehrnst Nov 2020 #240

Yes, I see that now, thank you. My phone doesn't R B Garr Nov 2020 #245

So what? Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #235

And the goalposts keep on moving... ehrnst Nov 2020 #266

Yes because you keep moving them. Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #268

Don't pretend someone said she should be immune from criticism. ehrnst Nov 2020 #291

Never misrepresented anything Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #296

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Nov 2020 #327

Yes Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #329

And yet you still post. ehrnst Nov 2020 #334

And so do you Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #335

You keep on trying to get me to say something... ehrnst Nov 2020 #337

More projection. Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #339

One is called by the last office they held. You don't hear people address Obama or Carter as ehrnst Nov 2020 #342

Nope Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #346

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Nov 2020 #352

Great Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #361

You and your strawman agree, that's for sure. ehrnst Nov 2020 #435

Here's your chance! ehrnst Nov 2020 #356

Oh, phone typing! Sorry ehrnst, wrong reply. R B Garr Nov 2020 #237

Never said smearing Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #233

You smeared, you didn't say "smearing." ehrnst Nov 2020 #241

I never said it was ok to smear anyone. Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #248

Don't pretend that I ever said that you did. I, along with others, pointed out your obvious dislike ehrnst Nov 2020 #343

No dislike Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #347

I'm pointing out what others have observed as well. ehrnst Nov 2020 #355

Nothing wrong with that Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #357

Who disputed that or said those things were wrong? ehrnst Nov 2020 #358

Good Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #364

Good. ehrnst Nov 2020 #425

Claire was smeared for losing an election. R B Garr Nov 2020 #254

That's your opinion Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #257

However, you smeared McCaskill. Don't pretend you didn't. ehrnst Nov 2020 #261

How did I smear McCaskill? Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #262

Don't pretend you didn't. Others have commented on your swipes. ehrnst Nov 2020 #274

Those are not smears Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #276

Several people here have commented on your disrespect and insults. Here they are again... ehrnst Nov 2020 #289

Not disrespect or insults, but facts. Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #297

I'm one of several who saw the clear irritation with others who pointed out that ehrnst Nov 2020 #363

I stated facts Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #367

I am stating facts as well. ehrnst Nov 2020 #368

Nope Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #371

I guess we didn't misunderstand you then. ehrnst Nov 2020 #377

I just stated facts Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #378

As many have pointed out, it is your attitude, not the facts. ehrnst Nov 2020 #379

My attitude is to discuss facts Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #382

The facts are that people here were pointing out your attitude ehrnst Nov 2020 #384

That's their issue Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #385

Says the one who grouses about others' "attitudes" that you can't back up ehrnst Nov 2020 #391

Projection again. Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #395

Fact... ehrnst Nov 2020 #398

So? Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #399

This is a fact. Sorry that you seem bothered by facts. Not my problem though. ehrnst Nov 2020 #402

Nope Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #405

Yep. It's relevant to what other people are talking about in this thread, which is what you are ehrnst Nov 2020 #420

Nope Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #426

Yep. Just because you refuse to read the posts doesn't mean they're not there. ehrnst Nov 2020 #432

AOC's Twitter comment was an unnecessary R B Garr Nov 2020 #263

An ex-senator who is now a pundit. Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #267

AOC's comments were about Claire's loss. Do we get to attack and R B Garr Nov 2020 #269

That's your opinion. Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #270

Yes, AOC should not be immune from criticism. R B Garr Nov 2020 #273

Agreed Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #278

It's your opinion that Senator McCaskill is less worthy of respect than AOC because ehrnst Nov 2020 #277

Never said McCaskill is less worthy of respect Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #279

Again... ehrnst Nov 2020 #280

Which is true Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #304

And you're claiming you're not insulting McCaskill with the word choice, despite others here ehrnst Nov 2020 #306

How is it an insult Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #310

Don't pretend your posts weren't diminishing and insulting the Senator. ehrnst Nov 2020 #314

Not pretending anything Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #316

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Just stated facts Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #321

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Nov 2020 #325

Nope it's the facts Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #328

Yes,your choice of words in your posts made it obvious to several people your dislike of the Senator ehrnst Nov 2020 #331

Stating the facts is just stating the facts Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #333

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Stating the facts is not demeaning. Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #338

As several have said, your choice of words in referring to Senator McCaskill ehrnst Nov 2020 #390

I stated facts Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #396

Facts... ehrnst Nov 2020 #397

Again so what? Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #401

It's a fact. Why are you bothered by facts? ehrnst Nov 2020 #407

Agreed Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #409

Because you don't want to acknowledge that it's been discussed several places on this thread ehrnst Nov 2020 #412

It's irrelevant Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #414

It's relevant to this discussion, because it's mentioned several times. ehrnst Nov 2020 #415

No it's irrelevant to my argument. Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #417

That happens when you invent things to argue with that no one has said. ehrnst Nov 2020 #418

Projection Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #419

Because you say so? ehrnst Nov 2020 #423

More projection. Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #430

Because you say so? Lulz. ehrnst Nov 2020 #436

And even more Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #444

And even more more. ehrnst Nov 2020 #451

And still more projection Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #453

Because you say so? ehrnst Nov 2020 #459

More projection Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #461

Because it makes you uncomfortable? Lulz. ehrnst Nov 2020 #466

A lot of people didn't find her comments all that respectful melman Nov 2020 #282

That's not what AOC or the poster I was responding to was talking about. ehrnst Nov 2020 #283

+1000. ehrnst Nov 2020 #404

Are you saying that Obama and Carter are NOT former elected Democratic reps who ehrnst Nov 2020 #226

You have proof that they get paid? Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #236

You seem shocked and dismayed... Carter has a booking agent. ehrnst Nov 2020 #243

So what? Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #247

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Nov 2020 #250

But you didn't prove anything Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #253

You're really embarassed now, aren't you? ehrnst Nov 2020 #260

No you didn't prove they get paid for appearing on cable news Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #265

I never said that. Don't pretend I did. ehrnst Nov 2020 #271

Then I must have misunderstood your point Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #275

I think you understood it fine. As I've said, I think it made you uncomfortable, and ehrnst Nov 2020 #281

Never disrespected anyone Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #303

Yes you did. Don't pretend you didn't. ehrnst Nov 2020 #307

How is stating a fact Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #311

Don't pretend you weren't insulting her. Others here also pointed that out. ehrnst Nov 2020 #312

How is pointing out that she works for NBC an insult? Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #313

Keep on moving the goalposts... you insulted the Senator with your language choices ehrnst Nov 2020 #315

No leave that to you Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #317

Nice pivot! But doesn't change your very clear ill will towards the Senator and those of us ehrnst Nov 2020 #323

Stating the truth is not ill will Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #326

Your feelings were very obvious, as others have pointed out. ehrnst Nov 2020 #330

I was just stating facts Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #332

You're very unhappy with people pointing out Senator McCaskills far greater experience and insight ehrnst Nov 2020 #340

No Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #341

No one said she was no allowed to be criticized. ehrnst Nov 2020 #372

True Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #373

And some had an even bigger problem with people pointing out that the experienced multi-term Senator ehrnst Nov 2020 #374

You mean Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #380

Sorry the fact that she won more elections than AOC is threatening to you. ehrnst Nov 2020 #383

So did Joe Scarborough Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #386

Yet another strawman. No response to the facts? ehrnst Nov 2020 #388

No Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #392

lulz... No one here said anyone was immune - only you said that. ehrnst Nov 2020 #400

Good Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #403

It's your strawman, Attack as you like. ehrnst Nov 2020 #406

Nope Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #408

Yep. Right there in the link. You just need to click it to see. ehrnst Nov 2020 #413

Still irrelevant Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #416

The posts from various people on this thread prove otherwise. ehrnst Nov 2020 #422

No it's irrelevant Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #429

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Nov 2020 #434

Irrelevant to my argument Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #441

Well, if you're arguing with yourself and a strawman, sure... ehrnst Nov 2020 #445

Still more projection Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #449

Because you say so? Lulz. ehrnst Nov 2020 #455

The lady douth protest too much Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #458

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Nov 2020 #462

Not to my argument Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #448

Well, that happens when you argue with yourself. Nothing anyone else says is relevant. ehrnst Nov 2020 #464

Irrelevant like random video's of Yang? Or irrelevant in a different way? LanternWaste Nov 2020 #439

Not random at all Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #443

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Nov 2020 #468

Yes it was Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #475

Why are you the only one who gets to say what's relevant and what's not on this page? ehrnst Nov 2020 #485

Awww Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #486

More projection, And irrelevant. ehrnst Nov 2020 #487

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Aww. It'll be OK. ehrnst Nov 2020 #489

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This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Nov 2020 #493

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Who is that supposed to be? George II Nov 2020 #500

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Nov 2020 #494

Wait, so the AOC rules are that former elected Dems R B Garr Nov 2020 #102

Why not if they are criticizing the Democratic party Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #108

No she wasn't. To use your go-to.........link? George II Nov 2020 #170

Yes she was Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #173

That wasn't criticizing the Democratic Party. Of course, Waleed Shahid would jump on that. George II Nov 2020 #175

So who was she criticizing? Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #177

No one. She was commenting on the events of the day. Why does everything have to be... George II Nov 2020 #180

She was criticizing the party Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #188

That's your opinion. George II Nov 2020 #189

Maybe/maybe not Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #191

Not even trying to hide evading the question while still posting... ehrnst Nov 2020 #285

More projection Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #301

Nope. You're the one projecting. Clearly. ehrnst Nov 2020 #375

That's exactly what someone projecting would say Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #381

Because you say so? Or did the strawman say that? ehrnst Nov 2020 #438

And even more Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #447

Irrelevant. I win! ehrnst Nov 2020 #472

Yes it's all about winning Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #474

Lulz... ehrnst Nov 2020 #483

I know, right? And she refers to "Us" when she talks about the Democratic party, not as an outsider ehrnst Nov 2020 #286

Her repeated use of the word 'we' means she sees herself anamnua Nov 2020 #181

Which she is free to do Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #187

Who "announced that she can't be criticized?" ehrnst Nov 2020 #206

Great Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #208

Still can't answer the question? ehrnst Nov 2020 #219

What question? Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #230

Who "announced that she can't be criticized?" ehrnst Nov 2020 #284

Sounds like you have Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #302

Never 'announced' McCaskill is 'immune to criticism." ehrnst Nov 2020 #308

Great Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #309

Which is it - people saying some are immune, or is that your mistaken impression? ehrnst Nov 2020 #410

Maybe it's a mistaken impression. Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #411

"Maybe?" "if?" ehrnst Nov 2020 #428

Yes Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #431

So that's a "no, I don't apologize." Got it. ehrnst Nov 2020 #437

Nope Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #446

Yes it is. ehrnst Nov 2020 #465

You will not hear AOC include herself in criticisms of the Democratic party. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2020 #207

So? Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #212

And? ehrnst Nov 2020 #215

Criticizing the Democratic party is something that you find distasteful? ehrnst Nov 2020 #190

And she should be criticized for it. Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #192

So, what exactly was it Claire McCaskill said that was critical of the Democratic Party ehrnst Nov 2020 #195

Interesting, since AOC's criticism of the party gets R B Garr Nov 2020 #202

I guess that would also include Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama? (nt) ehrnst Nov 2020 #114

Exactly! R B Garr Nov 2020 #204

We aren't the only ones who picked up on that. ehrnst Nov 2020 #205

+++, Glad to hear it. There was no legitimate reason R B Garr Nov 2020 #211

I think someone was being hyperdefensive of a particular favorite that they perceived was being ehrnst Nov 2020 #213

A shame it had to go on Twitter, as that's risky R B Garr Nov 2020 #223

I guess if you can't get invited onto a news show to air your grievances, Twitter's always there. ehrnst Nov 2020 #452

see post #197 melman Nov 2020 #214

Irrelevant. ehrnst Nov 2020 #469

She spent TWELVE years in the Senate, elected as a DEMOCRAT in the red state of Missouri.... George II Nov 2020 #105

That's nice Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #107

A mere "former democratic politician"... You mean like Jimmy Carter? Or Barack Obama? ehrnst Nov 2020 #111

Or Joe Lieberman Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #113

Actually, Leiberman is no longer a Democrat. n/t Malmsy Nov 2020 #115

Yes he's a former democrat Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #120

I don't think that he fits into your category of Democrats who are former politicians. n/t Malmsy Nov 2020 #121

Not the point. Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #122

We disagree. I think I made you uncomfortable because it was the point. n/t Malmsy Nov 2020 #126

No it wasn't Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #127

Yes, it was. n/t Malmsy Nov 2020 #136

I know the point I was making Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #138

So do I, n/t Malmsy Nov 2020 #141

No you don't Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #153

Yes I do, and that's why you're unable to let it go. Malmsy Nov 2020 #158

No you don't. Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #162

You just made my point. Malmsy Nov 2020 #201

Glad I could be of service Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #209

So Obama and Carter don't get paid for their appearances or books? ehrnst Nov 2020 #124

They are not paid tv pundits Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #128

So if they get paid for a speech or appearance because they are a former Dem rep ehrnst Nov 2020 #130

Yes it does Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #134

Perhaps you're pretending she doesn't get booked for appearances, like a pundit does. ehrnst Nov 2020 #139

Cut the bs Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #143

I'm not the one painting myself into a corner.. ehrnst Nov 2020 #145

Never said I don't like McCaskill Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #157

You can ignore this as much as you want, but you wrote it. Your own words... ehrnst Nov 2020 #159

And there is no criticism in what I wrote Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #164

Again with the sidestep... ehrnst Nov 2020 #199

So? Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #272

Keep on trying with the smokescreen and sidestep. ehrnst Nov 2020 #318

Never stated any ill will Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #319

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Nov 2020 #322

What did I state that was untrue. Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #324

Your distaste for any defense of a Senator that AOC was irritated to hear talk on TV has been ehrnst Nov 2020 #351

Just stating facts Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #362

I'm not uncomfortable, but you appear to be on being told how your posts were perceived ehrnst Nov 2020 #366

I don't care how they are perceived Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #369

If you "don't care" how you statements are perceived then what's the point of discussion? ehrnst Nov 2020 #440

You tell me Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #442

That's one non-answer. But if you 'don't care' about how your statements are perceived... ehrnst Nov 2020 #450

More projection Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #454

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Nov 2020 #457

Yet again projection Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #460

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Nov 2020 #467

Claire McCaskill is a "TV Pundit" in your eyes? You may want to do a little research into her resume George II Nov 2020 #101

I don't care about her resume Trumpocalypse Nov 2020 #106

The McCaskill Rule: Get paid for a televised appearance, your experience and career disappear and betsuni Nov 2020 #258

Amen... comradebillyboy Nov 2020 #32

Hear, hear!! Sogo Nov 2020 #45

Wait until she loses an election. LisaM Nov 2020 #2

"I've enjoyed Claire McCaskill as a pundit" melman Nov 2020 #8

Do you think AOC could win in Missouri? Demsrule86 Nov 2020 #39

Bazinga. Actually she's campaigned for two candidates in Missouri twice, both lost. George II Nov 2020 #48

Why is that relevant? McCaskill was asked about the whole country muriel_volestrangler Nov 2020 #81

No, it doesn't make "one of us". Lots of people here enjoy her commentary. LisaM Nov 2020 #65

Well said PatSeg Nov 2020 #12

You've enjoyed Claire McCaskill as a pundit. Mariana Nov 2020 #35

This is the thing about AOC. I like her, I really do. crickets Nov 2020 #38

That makes two of us, in fact it makes many many of us. If people didn't enjoy her as a pundit.... George II Nov 2020 #44

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I do think we need to look at these things differently gollygee Nov 2020 #5

Good Point about Sanders who lost a blue Primary twice JI7 Nov 2020 #6

Exactly who I was thinking of.. Cha Nov 2020 #14

Exactly! R B Garr Nov 2020 #34

+1 nt PunkinPi Nov 2020 #456

TN Senate race Marquita Bradshaw Jamesyu Nov 2020 #7

IKR? AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #151

I don't usually agree with AOC, but I do here. I am sick of McCaskill. nt LexVegas Nov 2020 #9

Then don't watch her? StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #49

I like AOC, but don't come at Claire McCaskill Rice4VP Nov 2020 #10

Indeed. McCaskill is not a self-serving representative who was in it for her own branding purposes. ehrnst Nov 2020 #210

she lost her seat because she went over the line & ignored the A-A base & attacked the more Celerity Nov 2020 #293

Arrogance.... quickesst Nov 2020 #15

Sorry, but it's pretty easy to say something like this when you're from New York. BlueStater Nov 2020 #20

Exactly PatSeg Nov 2020 #24

AOC is correct jcgoldie Nov 2020 #21

That pissed me right off. maxsolomon Nov 2020 #118

Very poor argument. Progressives lose all the time Blasphemer Nov 2020 #25

Claire McCaskill apologizes for 'hurtful term' used during live MSNBC interview melman Nov 2020 #30

Then that eliminates Bernie since he lost twice. R B Garr Nov 2020 #31

Why do we listen to people who win elections in absolutely safe D seats... brooklynite Nov 2020 #40

What we really don't need are for progressives to begin the attacks upon life-long Dem who Boogiemack Nov 2020 #41

Why is AOC on Twitter complaining about tv pundits? StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #50

Precisely. Cha Nov 2020 #60

Indeed. Perhaps her district. (nt) ehrnst Nov 2020 #72

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There are many things one can criticize Clair McCaskell for dsc Nov 2020 #54

I cannot argue with that logic. ffr Nov 2020 #63

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Does that include people who lost a primary race or two? ehrnst Nov 2020 #67

That happened in 2018, too. George II Nov 2020 #71

It should BainsBane Nov 2020 #178

Does she not know that Claire McCaskill was once an elected official? GoCubsGo Nov 2020 #68

Claire McCaskill was the first woman elected to the Senate from red state Missouri. George II Nov 2020 #70

Yep. This "Democrats bashing other Democrats" shit is nauseating. GoCubsGo Nov 2020 #79

Truly... ehrnst Nov 2020 #109

Yeah I am just ready to trash this thread. Didn't Biden call for unity DLCWIdem Nov 2020 #168

Does she mean like Stacey Abrams? Hekate Nov 2020 #69

Boom! StarfishSaver Nov 2020 #76

Boom. Cha Nov 2020 #91

Maybe AOC could move to a competitive district and show us n/t Azathoth Nov 2020 #75

+1,000,000 highplainsdem Nov 2020 #112

I love AOC! budkin Nov 2020 #82

I think younger Democrats should not publicly attack veteran Democrats AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #86

I think veteran Democrats should not publicly attack the Democratic Party. Mariana Nov 2020 #244

I don't agree Turin_C3PO Nov 2020 #94

Indeed. alarimer Nov 2020 #98

Rep Ocasio-Cortez endorsed Greenfield several days before the election. How did that endorsement go still_one Nov 2020 #103

Hey AOC! Run a statewide race in New York and win it! Wanderlust988 Nov 2020 #132

I wonder if she means Bernie Sanders? AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #150

I think this falls under BainsBane Nov 2020 #196

+1 well said AmericanCanuck Nov 2020 #203

I would rather listen to someone with years of experience as... Spazito Nov 2020 #166

She's right to a point dflprincess Nov 2020 #167

Yes, that was my view in 2016 BainsBane Nov 2020 #176

You must define "this election" as just the President. former9thward Nov 2020 #225

Yes, the presidency BainsBane Nov 2020 #227

AOC! Correct again. Autumn Nov 2020 #217

Yes! melman Nov 2020 #222

They should calm down. She won't hurt them Autumn Nov 2020 #232

It's ridiculous. Mariana Nov 2020 #239

she is right, and if we try and lurch even more to the right it will be disastrous Celerity Nov 2020 #229

You really think that AOC could get elected to office in Missouri? Or Tennessee? ehrnst Nov 2020 #292

Strawman. I never said that an AOC type was a universal model. What I am saying is that Celerity Nov 2020 #294

The reason why AOC was angry here Withywindle Nov 2020 #305

Yes melman Nov 2020 #393

I lulz'd KG Nov 2020 #376

Why is the word "transsexuals" in quotes? CTyankee Nov 2020 #387

Because that is considered an outdated term and is offensive to some melman Nov 2020 #389

Thanks. I have a transgender grandson and I use the term transgender but I thought it was the CTyankee Nov 2020 #394

I don't honestly have a good answer for what is a winning strategy Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2020 #424

AOC could always put her money where her mouth is and run for the open Senate seat in Missouri in OnDoutside Nov 2020 #463

I agree with McCAskill Gothmog Nov 2020 #473

Well, it appears that Lindsay Graham has retweeted this. ehrnst Nov 2020 #498

Let's take a look at Lindsay's tweet, shall we? melman Nov 2020 #501

Who said that he's agreeing with her? ehrnst Nov 2020 #502

Right melman Nov 2020 #503