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ehrnst

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17. They are anti-choice lawyers with an agenda against abortion, not pro-'choice'
Mon Jan 9, 2012, 01:16 PM
Jan 2012

They would say consider her incompetent if she wanted an abortion against her parents wishes.

Girl, 14, Sues Family to Stop Abortion [View all] The Straight Story Jan 2012 OP
That's a tough one salvorhardin Jan 2012 #1
I am not sure that a challenged 14 year old is a "woman" I am glad I am not the judge Vincardog Jan 2012 #2
Legally she is a minor and has limited rights. MedicalAdmin Jan 2012 #18
Let's hope it is not the grandfather to be Vincardog Jan 2012 #21
OR anyone over the age of 18 for that matter... MedicalAdmin Jan 2012 #56
She could run out the clock itsrobert Jan 2012 #107
That's what I thought too. MedicalAdmin Jan 2012 #158
Not an angle I would take joeglow3 Jan 2012 #173
Exactly. MedicalAdmin Jan 2012 #178
Agreed. joeglow3 Jan 2012 #179
Well she can get herself emancipated and go on her own... snooper2 Jan 2012 #3
I have been told on other topics that a 14 year old cannot be held responsible for their actions. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #13
I would guess that the vast majority of people who say that... LanternWaste Jan 2012 #76
the fact is go to any of the threads about Lawrence King dsc Jan 2012 #113
Well, you see, Charlemagne Jan 2012 #87
I can see no happy outcome here Warpy Jan 2012 #19
That's the road my thoughts were going down salvorhardin Jan 2012 #34
I have a cousin who was shoved into a shotgun marriage at 15 Warpy Jan 2012 #45
If it is "Crisis Pregnancy Centers" they will coddle her MattBaggins Jan 2012 #62
And after they traffic the baby musette_sf Jan 2012 #105
so do i. barbtries Jan 2012 #58
It is a cousin that claims she is mentally unstable. I don't see in the linked article that a Arkansas Granny Jan 2012 #112
Is it the same cousin that grabbed her neck, hit her face, threatened to beat her if she aborted? uppityperson Jan 2012 #142
I didn't see enough info in the article to know for sure if it was the same cousin or not. Arkansas Granny Jan 2012 #155
yup. Had a friend run across some of those foul people. uppityperson Jan 2012 #156
As long as her family can legally disown her and any financial obligation to her, let her choose. Lance_Boyle Jan 2012 #4
Would you say the same if this was a teen being forced to continue a pregnancy? n/t FedUpWithIt All Jan 2012 #14
The same would not apply, because the only burden imposed on the family on that case Lance_Boyle Jan 2012 #41
The burden will then likely go to the State. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #15
It *ought* to go to the 'choose life' group making her case Lance_Boyle Jan 2012 #42
This case is going to bring up a lot of issues. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #46
I think that the issue of custody of a child that is born would be another issue ehrnst Jan 2012 #39
Thankfully. our court sysem tells Pontius Pilates to piss off. MattBaggins Jan 2012 #63
a child is an "unwanted burden" wow, that's cold blooded leftyohiolib Jan 2012 #68
Oh? Says who? lapislzi Jan 2012 #82
Some child/women cannot take care of their children nor themselves. It's a tragedy for all. kiranon Jan 2012 #120
rationalize away if that makes you feel better but i stand by my statement leftyohiolib Jan 2012 #130
fine, take your warm heart and YOU raise all the unwanted children of other people Scout Jan 2012 #133
Odd things about unwanted burdens... LanternWaste Jan 2012 #77
And sometimes they become abused and neglected. ehrnst Jan 2012 #88
Sometimes A, sometimes B... LanternWaste Jan 2012 #93
I'm glad it worked out for you. ehrnst Jan 2012 #99
Those two sets of laws aren't related treestar Jan 2012 #106
"Mentally unstable" no_hypocrisy Jan 2012 #5
The issue will indeed come down to competency. ehrnst Jan 2012 #9
I'll be the judge here. It's her choice. Okthxbai! Zalatix Jan 2012 #11
I agree - and in reality, no one will give her an abortion ehrnst Jan 2012 #80
This is the flip side argument I have used against parental notification laws loyalsister Jan 2012 #75
And this Republican judge will have to use all the Pro-choice arguments ehrnst Jan 2012 #81
What I got from the linked article, it was a cousin who described her as mentally unstable. Arkansas Granny Jan 2012 #114
Do you think the lawyers representing her would represent a 14-year-old joeybee12 Jan 2012 #6
Her lawyers are from a right-to-life group, so no, they would not represent her Lance_Boyle Jan 2012 #7
I should have added this... joeybee12 Jan 2012 #8
It's ridiculous that anti-choicers are being picked to protect a girl's freedom of choice. Zalatix Jan 2012 #12
They are anti-choice lawyers with an agenda against abortion, not pro-'choice' ehrnst Jan 2012 #17
Well, what can you say? Where are the pro-choicers to have her back? Zalatix Jan 2012 #183
Well, and that's another sad part of this- Raffi Ella Jan 2012 #26
No, but maybe it would've been nice if the ACLU had gotten there first... Hippo_Tron Jan 2012 #168
I support her. RandySF Jan 2012 #10
I agree with your statement, but... Wait Wut Jan 2012 #22
If bodily harm was the issue, I would agree. RandySF Jan 2012 #30
Yeah, I'm just going to ignore the parent's idiotic claims. Wait Wut Jan 2012 #53
The judge has assigned an attorney to her ehrnst Jan 2012 #89
This message was self-deleted by its author moriah Jan 2012 #32
Yes. Wait Wut Jan 2012 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author moriah Jan 2012 #60
I agree with you on parental consent. Wait Wut Jan 2012 #65
Girls must prove competency to get an abortion against their parent's wishes in TX. ehrnst Jan 2012 #24
There is also her health to consider - by definition, it's a high risk pregnancy. ehrnst Jan 2012 #28
She's 14 and a minor KansDem Jan 2012 #31
No, she can't sign contracts, drive, drink, but.... Moonwalk Jan 2012 #67
Fantastic post n/t Tsiyu Jan 2012 #180
Those have been established to be different from reproductive decisions ehrnst Jan 2012 #84
ehhh I dont know Charlemagne Jan 2012 #90
Supporting the individual's right to choose is not predicated on our own personal opinions... LanternWaste Jan 2012 #78
Too many variables to make a decision. Wait Wut Jan 2012 #16
Forced abortion is just as disgusting as forced pregnancy. moriah Jan 2012 #20
yes, Raffi Ella Jan 2012 #29
Agree completely. n/t FedUpWithIt All Jan 2012 #50
yes Charlemagne Jan 2012 #91
At 14, without family support - she won't be able to parent that baby. ehrnst Jan 2012 #159
A choice not to abort is not the same as a choice to parent. And there is the baby daddy. moriah Jan 2012 #162
That's how others here seem to be defining 'forced abortion.' Let me clarify: ehrnst Jan 2012 #169
And no one is taking the provider to court -- but the parents. moriah Jan 2012 #171
I think that we agree on most things - except what is being presented in this discussion. ehrnst Jan 2012 #172
my post was #20. ;) It'd been here awhile and you'd been pretty active on the thread after. moriah Jan 2012 #177
It's not a hard case at all- Raffi Ella Jan 2012 #23
It's interesting to have pro-life attorneys representing MineralMan Jan 2012 #27
Neither parent nor judge can force a clinic to perform an abortion on her - no clinic would do that. ehrnst Jan 2012 #175
Would you say the same if she was e.g a 9-year-old refusing life-saving cancer surgery? Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #122
ok, so... Raffi Ella Jan 2012 #136
"Think" as opposed to "am totally certain of". Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #138
Frankly, Raffi Ella Jan 2012 #141
A 14 year old is *not* a woman. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2012 #160
I'm not interested in this Raffi Ella Jan 2012 #161
Now there's a case that brings a lot of questions to the table. MineralMan Jan 2012 #25
I'm not sure that there would be an abortion provider anywhere ehrnst Jan 2012 #33
ah! Good point! Raffi Ella Jan 2012 #38
It may be all about the publicity - with no substance ehrnst Jan 2012 #48
Brilliant evaluation of the situation- Raffi Ella Jan 2012 #55
Or loyalsister Jan 2012 #79
Yes, apparently that's exactly what they're doing ehrnst Jan 2012 #131
I would hope that NO one who supported choice would ever force the decision, ANYWHERE. moriah Jan 2012 #52
The point is moot anyway Charlemagne Jan 2012 #92
I'm pro choice. Period. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #35
"Casey said the teen has the right to make the decision herself, no matter what her age." ... meegbear Jan 2012 #36
Can the parents force her to go through with this if there are no health issues for the mother? krispos42 Jan 2012 #37
My little sister, who is mentally challenged, cannot be forced to have her tubes tied. moriah Jan 2012 #47
Any minor can have a childbirth procedure without parental consent. ehrnst Jan 2012 #49
My former sister-inlaw- 20 years younger is mentally ill Marrah_G Jan 2012 #57
Unlikely fifthoffive Jan 2012 #61
I would think not treestar Jan 2012 #104
It's her call. And btw.. who raped her? The cousin? LeftinOH Jan 2012 #40
Seriously. Those were my thoughts also. The cousin who assaulted her, or the one claiming mentally uppityperson Jan 2012 #144
My cousin had an abortion at 15 but it was her choice. Jennicut Jan 2012 #43
Logically choice has to work both ways HockeyMom Jan 2012 #44
I agree completely. Kdillard Jan 2012 #163
I respect her right to choose. Nye Bevan Jan 2012 #54
What if this were some other medical procedure? fifthoffive Jan 2012 #59
I think we worry too much about being ideologically pure Charlemagne Jan 2012 #94
Her body her choice. If, after serious counseling and discussion, she ecstatic Jan 2012 #64
Not to be contrary, but what if she wanted to smoke/drink? The Straight Story Jan 2012 #66
The psychological implications are different ecstatic Jan 2012 #70
well there are laws that say she cant smoke or drink, but none against having a baby leftyohiolib Jan 2012 #71
Some demarcations are drawn by nature cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #72
Great answer nt ecstatic Jan 2012 #74
Exactly Charlemagne Jan 2012 #95
Yes, that's it Yo_Mama Jan 2012 #140
Choice is choice. It is not always pretty. cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #69
Agreed. moriah Jan 2012 #73
The reality is that no abortion provider will give her one now. ehrnst Jan 2012 #83
Freedom of choice carries the risk of people sometimes making poor choices slackmaster Jan 2012 #85
You can't argue out of both sides of your mouth on this one... ddeclue Jan 2012 #86
thankyou. leftyohiolib Jan 2012 #98
I think it should be up to the parents Mosby Jan 2012 #96
When it comes to reproductive rights, MineralMan Jan 2012 #97
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jan 2012 #100
No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that minors have the right to MineralMan Jan 2012 #101
I see the difference Mosby Jan 2012 #102
What if she wanted the abortion and parents didn't? What if they were willing to support her&baby uppityperson Jan 2012 #145
I wonder how much influence is being put on her hamsterjill Jan 2012 #103
No enough information yet obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #108
I'd like to know about he cousin who assaulted her, cousin who claimed mentally unstable uppityperson Jan 2012 #146
Marking this for follow up.... my2sense Jan 2012 #109
This is a tough one. Texasgal Jan 2012 #110
Not seeing whom she got pregnant by The Straight Story Jan 2012 #111
If the male was 14, did he break the law, too? moriah Jan 2012 #115
I think it is still a legal issue. Texasgal Jan 2012 #116
Kinda farked if it's that way. moriah Jan 2012 #117
No, it wasn't illegal Nevernose Jan 2012 #119
What if it were reversed, she wanted abortion, parents said no? Would you agree they need to make uppityperson Jan 2012 #147
What if her parents are alternative medicine nutjobs Hippo_Tron Jan 2012 #167
The girl should be able to have choice but then if the parents marlakay Jan 2012 #118
It would be an abdication of responsibility to put their daughter in foster care. It would Liquorice Jan 2012 #124
Im friends with this gal Charlemagne Jan 2012 #125
Wow. ehrnst Jan 2012 #127
I will tell you what kind of parent marlakay Jan 2012 #137
Foster care is tough to find for teens - let alone a pregnant teen. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2012 #129
This 2012. There should be no such thing as a 'forced abortion' n/t Tx4obama Jan 2012 #121
There isn't. Coerced, perhaps - but no one will strap you to a table ehrnst Jan 2012 #126
And you're playing word games. moriah Jan 2012 #164
The ANTI's are the ones playing the word games here - I'm just stating the absurdity of logic. ehrnst Jan 2012 #170
Nobody should be forced to get an abortion. I wonder who the Liquorice Jan 2012 #123
Statutory rape is seldom prosecuted if the two are of similar age. ehrnst Jan 2012 #128
Forcing her to get an abortion would just drive her further into the hands of the anti-choicers. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #132
They can't force her to have an abortion - no one will perform one ehrnst Jan 2012 #134
More information here: ehrnst Jan 2012 #135
If you support the right of a 14 year-old to choose an abortion Yo_Mama Jan 2012 #139
This seems cut and dry. Unless she is petitioning for emancipation, the family can control their Suji to Seoul Jan 2012 #143
reverse the situation. What if she wanted an abortion, parent said no. Is that ok with you, "family uppityperson Jan 2012 #149
reverse the situation: Yes, I would say the same thing! Suji to Seoul Jan 2012 #150
To clarify, parents should be able to make pregnant minor have the child, deny an abortion. uppityperson Jan 2012 #151
If the parents were parents at all, the kid would not be doing it. Suji to Seoul Jan 2012 #152
You did read that the cousins grabbed her by her throat, struck and threatened to beat her more... uppityperson Jan 2012 #153
Having the sex talk with your kids and making birth control accessible to them does not Arkansas Granny Jan 2012 #157
Exactly! She's 14. The family can control her and don't need her permission. hughee99 Jan 2012 #154
What if the family are a bunch of crazy alternative medicine nutjobs Hippo_Tron Jan 2012 #166
Depends on the state Sgent Jan 2012 #184
When I was training as an EMT mrs_p Jan 2012 #148
We're all about pro-choice, right? Canuckistanian Jan 2012 #165
And it will be. The Anti lawyers state that her family can "force her to have an abortion" ehrnst Jan 2012 #174
Very informative, thanks Canuckistanian Jan 2012 #181
The original story in the newspaper pulls mostly from the "pro-life" lawyer's news release ehrnst Jan 2012 #176
The case has been "resolved" ehrnst Jan 2012 #182
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