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BlueCaliDem

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72. Ugh

Thu Sep 27, 2012, 05:29 AM

Sep 2012

Please read the article.

I'm pretty sure before the child was born it started out as a fertilized egg, no? And it took nine months to develop. No? Of course the living, breathing creature is NOW a baby, but rationally speaking, it wasn't when she made the choice to not abort, was it?

Her own words:

"Being Christian, the way I looked at it, the way I thought of it, this is a baby, an innocent person that didn't do anything wrong. Like, why should I take away that life?" she said.

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Rapist wants visitation rights; teen mom fighting back [View all] Liberal_in_LA Sep 2012 OP

Well, it's clear she is anti-abortion and now she will pay the consequences BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #1

That is an appalling attitude. antigone382 Sep 2012 #7

Um, "she made a personal decision to keep the child" followed by "Who knows how much pressure BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #16

I don't really care. She shouldn't be forced to co-parent with her rapist. Period. Care Acutely Sep 2012 #29

Sorry. But the law says differently. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #68

what gross thoughts you have Whisp Sep 2012 #107

Maybe, BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #113

what bullshit. Whisp Sep 2012 #125

it's a mistake to play God Zygoat Sep 2012 #162

How many times in history have we had laws that were wrong? LiberalFighter Sep 2012 #167

That should be the law of the land. Rapists do not get custody to the product stevenleser Sep 2012 #135

Considering he raped her when she was underage, why is anyone allowing him near a child? aquart Sep 2012 #180

So you're in favor of "choice" only when you agree with the decision? 11 Bravo Sep 2012 #44

I agree with you completely. nt MADem Sep 2012 #59

No. That's what you made of it. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #116

Rape is rape bevb Sep 2012 #124

A 14-year-old kid was raped by an ADULT man obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #142

this -- and how much choice does a raped kid have obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #141

Legally, it was her decision. No one could force her to keep or not keep the child. antigone382 Sep 2012 #47

She made a choice and possibly was under pressure. How is that twisting or disgusting to acknowledge uppityperson Sep 2012 #104

This horrifying post is like a RW parody of liberal position cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #11

No. Keeping the product of your rapist while justifying it as a "baby" BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #18

WTF are you talking about? The "baby" doesn't need to be justified as anything. cthulu2016 Sep 2012 #27

As a juror who voted to leave #18 alone, I completely agree with your criticism of it. Jim Lane Sep 2012 #35

Well, the TOS has this paragraph in it that might work in this instance. MADem Sep 2012 #60

Unless the baby appeared miraculously and fully developed BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #71

Are you saying that this living breathing creature is not a baby? NotThisTime Sep 2012 #28

Ugh BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #72

Hate Christians much? TheMadMonk Sep 2012 #170

How old was the fetus when she decided to not abort? Since you obviously know more than any of us. uppityperson Sep 2012 #172

So true n/t ornotna Sep 2012 #53

indeed n/t fishwax Sep 2012 #62

I was thinking the same. What a crude and heartless post. Lilyeye Sep 2012 #82

there is no dilema dsc Sep 2012 #13

Yeah, it's a dilemma and I know as much about this as you. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #24

You're pro-choice? I'm reading that you don't respect the choice of this young woman in your posts MADem Sep 2012 #31

Yeah. I'm pro-choice, not that it's any of your or anyone else's business. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #39

What does rapists having access to children have to do with responsibility? antigone382 Sep 2012 #52

True. But the state has ensured it isn't the end of this story. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #70

If it's not anyone's business, then stay out of threads that discuss the topic, and don't make MADem Sep 2012 #57

You said what I was gonna say! Tsiyu Sep 2012 #64

Right. And MA's posts are all pink elephants and lemonade. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #73

You are more than welcome. MADem Sep 2012 #99

Wow. What an inclusive DUer you are. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #69

I don't have a problem with reading comprehension. You do. One of two things is happening here. MADem Sep 2012 #95

Naw. I'm articulating myself just fine. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #106

You carp about getting personal, and then you assume I have a "red haze" because MADem Sep 2012 #117

You say you've a 20 yr old. When you were pg did you call her your "product of sex"? uppityperson Sep 2012 #101

Nope. As a Christian, married for 11 years, and nearly 30, I called her my baby. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #108

And are you now projecting those feelings, emotions, thoughts, on to this 14 yr old? I see that is a uppityperson Sep 2012 #109

Please BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #112

Lol. Now you're channeling Akin. B2G Sep 2012 #122

Your derision of this person is about you. This bit from the article counters your "not truly" rape uppityperson Sep 2012 #140

I can't follow your logic. noamnety Sep 2012 #163

Yup. That is it in a nutshell. Thank you. nt uppityperson Sep 2012 #165

Only Christians can be "truly" raped; others are just irresponsible hussy-sluts, right? REP Sep 2012 #131

..... obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #143

So, according to you, there is 'rape rape', and then there is 'rape-esque' or 'rapeish' ? stevenleser Sep 2012 #152

And, nonconsensual rape where the victim is threatened isn't really rape obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #159

Yes, and if you will excuse me, I need to unknot my brain after trying to follow that person's logic stevenleser Sep 2012 #160

I know -- I need an Excedrin obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #161

A 20 yr old threatened, had sex with a14 yr old who's still very depressed.This isn't "truly" rape? uppityperson Sep 2012 #166

you're a Christian? Zygoat Sep 2012 #168

Do you feel better now? eom BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #75

Once again, xmas74 Sep 2012 #93

Why thank you! nt MADem Sep 2012 #97

BCD, you've been here way longer than my newb ass M_M Sep 2012 #63

most people of "faith" are of the "cafeteria" sort, and you are not the boss of this kid! bettyellen Sep 2012 #148

"Free ride?" surrealAmerican Sep 2012 #40

Why do you expect a child to think like an adult? DevonRex Sep 2012 #132

Your post makes DU seriously suck. Starry Messenger Sep 2012 #14

I have one. 20. I don't speak for her. I speak for myself BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #19

"Traces" ugh. Starry Messenger Sep 2012 #23

Your need to remove the choice for and judge others on that choice is appalling. nt. NCTraveler Sep 2012 #30

??? Whut? eom BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #34

The poster is saying that you are in effect saying the choice to give birth Tsiyu Sep 2012 #65

Then the poster BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #74

your very first statement Tsiyu Sep 2012 #90

That doesn't invalidate her choice, and I did NOT claim such a thing. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author uppityperson Sep 2012 #111

Nothing was misread. Maybe it was poorly written. NCTraveler Sep 2012 #129

+1. MADem Sep 2012 #119

100% agree with this obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #146

Yeah. That's why it's called "choice". Zoeisright Sep 2012 #61

Yeah, choice. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #77

Your empathy and compassion for fellow rape victims is mindblowing obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #144

+1,000,000! nt MADem Sep 2012 #58

What? lapislzi Sep 2012 #15

I know as much about this person as you do. Keep that in mind, will ya? BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #32

Yes. When you choose to rape someone, that has consequences too. lapislzi Sep 2012 #38

Agree completely. Thank you for not making it personal or about me. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #43

Gotcha, and you're right. lapislzi Sep 2012 #86

"I know she made a conscious choice to keep the product of her rape" is the problem here. Not that uppityperson Sep 2012 #96

I didn't think I'd read any other posts on DU this week that could top the ones excusing Bad_Ronald Sep 2012 #17

Oh. Ok. So people believing others should take personal responsibility for their CHOICES BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #26

No, the presumptuous, disdainful & haughty attitude you've shown towards this juvenile rape victim Bad_Ronald Sep 2012 #33

Why do you have to make it a personal thing? Did I take your lunch money in Jr High or something? BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #45

OK, how about this? antigone382 Sep 2012 #55

You're far more diplomatic than me Tsiyu Sep 2012 #66

True. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #78

I agree. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #76

If you agree, why are you bringing up her attitude about abortion? antigone382 Sep 2012 #84

By your logic, there are no bad laws in the US obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #149

how is your judgment not personal? Zygoat Sep 2012 #169

You have a deranged thought process. n/t vaberella Sep 2012 #36

To say the least! etherealtruth Sep 2012 #50

More personal attacks. Wow. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #79

It has nothing to do with feeling better. It's an observation. vaberella Sep 2012 #105

Riiiight. Just an observation. BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #115

Yeah, I think the MA judge is full of shit and this was a bad decision obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #150

You don't understand what a personal attack is, either. MADem Sep 2012 #118

I think you are making an unfair assumption Still Sensible Sep 2012 #37

It's not an assumption. It's based on the girl's own words: BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #46

OMG GObamaGO Sep 2012 #54

Uh . . . BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #80

She also claimed "He threatened me. He told me that he could make my life upside down, and I wouldn uppityperson Sep 2012 #98

Pro-choice is pro-choice. If she chose not to terminate her pregnancy, then that was her choice, Arkansas Granny Sep 2012 #87

What a fucking DISGUSTING post! Odin2005 Sep 2012 #89

What a DISGUSTING response to it! BlueCaliDem Sep 2012 #103

I think you need to learn what Pro-CHOICE means. Odin2005 Sep 2012 #123

This has gotta be performance art, right? The "Liberal" Todd Akin sketch? nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #92

It's called CHOICE. Lisa D Sep 2012 #100

Because she chose to not have an abortion, this means she should suffer the consequences of having uppityperson Sep 2012 #102

A Christian is supposed to forgive. Hatchling Sep 2012 #121

Are you frickin kidding me? forthemiddle Sep 2012 #134

That poster is not at all "pro abortion" obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #151

This is one of those "You really ought to think about that a bit" kind of posts stevenleser Sep 2012 #136

Very first response in the thread's attacking a rape victim. Classy. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2012 #137

Perhaps the most remarkable thing about your post, apart from its reprehensibility, is the fact Bad_Ronald Sep 2012 #147

+1000 Starry Messenger Sep 2012 #155

This message was self-deleted by its author Union Scribe Sep 2012 #171

Were you born this much of an asshole, or did you have to take classes? n/t backscatter712 Sep 2012 #173

excellent question! (nt) Tumbulu Sep 2012 #176

My goodness your post is so outrageous Tumbulu Sep 2012 #179

The legislature ought to pass a law which denies parental rights to rapists meow2u3 Sep 2012 #2

Child support is not "part of the punishment." Jim Lane Sep 2012 #42

This YOUNG teenager is not raising that baby HockeyMom Sep 2012 #3

I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. HopeHoops Sep 2012 #4

This girl was in MIDDLE SCHOOL HockeyMom Sep 2012 #5

I'll pull the "womens' rights card" on this one. She suffered the rape and it's her child. HopeHoops Sep 2012 #6

Well, I agree with you there HockeyMom Sep 2012 #10

No clue. Not one bit of it makes sense. HopeHoops Sep 2012 #21

Wait... what??? opiate69 Sep 2012 #12

If she and her parents decide to keep the child and work out child care while she is in school... antigone382 Sep 2012 #9

Fine for you. lapislzi Sep 2012 #20

That's what I was thinking. Adoption is a choice, too. Iris Sep 2012 #22

I agree with you completely. progressivebydesign Sep 2012 #25

Me, too. lapislzi Sep 2012 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author Bad_Ronald Sep 2012 #8

The young woman's attitude toward abortion is irrelevant. What's relevant is the attempt by the Monk06 Sep 2012 #48

+1000 orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #83

oh hell NO! robinlynne Sep 2012 #49

+1000 Liberal_in_LA Sep 2012 #51

The minute someone acknowledges a parent and asks for money/child support, it opens the door. cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #56

The law should deal more clearly with the issue of rape, then. antigone382 Sep 2012 #85

I don't know about all state law, but I'm pretty sure that in Arkansas child support Arkansas Granny Sep 2012 #88

It is here, too obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #153

Then our legislatures are protecting rapists Tsiyu Sep 2012 #91

rape... does not open the door for shit with rights. nt seabeyond Sep 2012 #94

Someone upthread said it..with financial responsibility come rights. Plain and simple. It's the law cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #127

i disagree. and all states should have laws, convicted of rape, pay financial restitution seabeyond Sep 2012 #130

It is not the law in every state obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #154

If she was applying for any state aid, they had no choice. knitter4democracy Sep 2012 #174

Do all rapists have this right or is it specific to statutory rape? dkf Sep 2012 #67

The right to castration, and I'm a Liberal. orpupilofnature57 Sep 2012 #81

This isn't going to be popular, but I disagree with the use of the term "rapist" for this guy. Xithras Sep 2012 #114

He threatened her muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #120

So this isn't 'legitmate' rape?? B2G Sep 2012 #126

You blew it. The rapist had a consensual relationship with the victim's SISTER CreekDog Sep 2012 #128

It was -- and is -- rape obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #156

This is one of the worst threads I've seen at DU gollygee Sep 2012 #133

Seriously. These threads usually draw out MRAs and victim blamers, but wow. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2012 #138

Outrage and PC on DU does not substitute for common sense, legal realities,before or after the fact. cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #139

An adult man threatened a 14-year-old girl and raped her obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #157

Read the article again. knitter4democracy Sep 2012 #175

Some of the posts in this thread make me wonder what site I'm on. NYC Liberal Sep 2012 #145

agreed!!!! nt Tumbulu Sep 2012 #181

This thread is just disgusting obamanut2012 Sep 2012 #158

this thread disgusts lost-in-nj Sep 2012 #164

Is it in the child's best interest to establish a relationship with... Deep13 Sep 2012 #177

This is something ALL states need to address TexasBushwhacker Sep 2012 #178