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In reply to the discussion: How many people here want a country of low energy, low tech farms? [View all]GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)289. Kunstler is a funny guy.
There is a lot out there to know about what's going on. Don't waste your time with Kunstler's childish rants. He's not the one to read to get a handle on the problem.
I'd recommend starting with Chris Martenson's video Crash Course. Then move on to Joseph Tainter's academic book "The Collapse of Complex Societies", and William Catton's book "Overshoot". Then try on John Michael Greer's theory of catabolic collapse.
Or you could just keep jeering - it's easier.
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How many people here want a country of low energy, low tech farms? [View all]
a geek named Bob
Sep 2012
OP
what about storage, heating, and refrigeration? storage forms are the issue...
a geek named Bob
Sep 2012
#245
We have about a third of an acre and we have planted over 20 trees since we moved in back in 1992.
WCGreen
Sep 2012
#256
Not that I'll get any replies, but we're headed for a Plutonomy. That's WORSE than a "gridcrash".
Zalatix
Sep 2012
#338
I got all but xerofluvent, mesic aeric halaquept, and thermic abruptic durixeralf
a geek named Bob
Sep 2012
#191
Amen! I think if Obama is elected, he will hit wind/solar hard to get our dependence on coal/oil
Frustratedlady
Sep 2012
#43
Yes, It doesn't have to be as we are or total low tech. There are other options. nt
Mojorabbit
Sep 2012
#138
how about bringing those jobs back, and not relegating others to drudge work?
a geek named Bob
Sep 2012
#13
no, only poor people getting shit wages and living in shacks without running water should do it.
HiPointDem
Sep 2012
#160
We can do roof top and vertical gardens, and then put up blue houses in the desert.
a geek named Bob
Sep 2012
#20
I was thinking of Blue houses as something that sheds heat, instead of keeping it
a geek named Bob
Sep 2012
#29
If we combine the old WWII victory gardens, with vertical farms, we start getting large crops in
a geek named Bob
Sep 2012
#35
If we get architects onboard, we can manipulate sun exposure through reflective surfaces, too.
porphyrian
Sep 2012
#38
I'm not much of a metalurgist, but I wonder if we can make something that uses lightening...
porphyrian
Sep 2012
#305
or... we could try and use inductance coils around the lightning rod...hooked to a giant capacitor g
a geek named Bob
Sep 2012
#306
well... the heat could flash water into steam, running thermocouples or a
a geek named Bob
Sep 2012
#308
you can use capacitors and isolation transformers to "shield" the rest of the circuit from
a geek named Bob
Sep 2012
#311
Yeah, we can do that and have "farms" that are 100% dependent on large chemical companies
XemaSab
Sep 2012
#44
Since your magic solution to the nutrient problem was clover, I asked you if you knew what it did
XemaSab
Sep 2012
#73
This is where a smart man would say "Wow, I really need to stop talking about my ass...
XemaSab
Sep 2012
#97
glad to see that you are willing to discuss things, in spite of your issues...
a geek named Bob
Sep 2012
#101
what is your obsession with strangers on the internet "forcing" you to do things
BOG PERSON
Sep 2012
#102
also... WHY is it okay to force people to leave cities, and go farm, low tech?
a geek named Bob
Sep 2012
#117
start with the 40% of our food that is wasted. called compost. natures been doing it for a while..
piratefish08
Sep 2012
#184
If all of our food is grown in vertical structures, where are the cows going to graze?
XemaSab
Sep 2012
#246
I'm not sure we can break up the cities down to 2 or 3 floor structures...
a geek named Bob
Sep 2012
#276
That's not true. I'm saying that under a system with "roof top and vertical gardens,"
XemaSab
Sep 2012
#280
sorry, you're going to have to start getting used to the idea that tech driven farming
xchrom
Sep 2012
#30
I want a country of farms that are well positioned to survive climate change and peak oil.
kestrel91316
Sep 2012
#34
I think that's totally doable, especially if we rethink how we use urban space...
porphyrian
Sep 2012
#36
Absolutely. The obvious problem is that research is expensive, which is why so much is done...
porphyrian
Sep 2012
#204
Why spit? Does it help anything, or is is just a display of your own arrogance?
GliderGuider
Sep 2012
#51
I am a low tech, low energy farmer. The work is relentless, backbreaking and doesn't pay well
riderinthestorm
Sep 2012
#54
While I admire your work and honesty, I wish I could offer you some labor saving devices...
a geek named Bob
Sep 2012
#56
Sorry, I should have said that I expect us to descend into a world like depicted in Idiocracy but...
JVS
Sep 2012
#91
Low tech living is about as far from my utopia is it is possible to get...
a geek named Bob
Sep 2012
#232
I lived through the rolling blackouts, I'll pass on grid crash, I hate to say it but I
wutang77
Sep 2012
#98
At this point, the movement to re-build the grid makes the big oil/Ag/etc. obsolete...
a geek named Bob
Sep 2012
#130
What percentage of the electricity produced in this country is done by green energy?
MadHound
Sep 2012
#134
and we can make switch over pretty easily, as I've posted in this and other threads
a geek named Bob
Sep 2012
#135
I agree with you, technically we can make the sort of switch-over you are talking about,
MadHound
Sep 2012
#152
A wind turbine, of any size, is not going to go on a standard quarter acre urban home site,
MadHound
Sep 2012
#162
if it happens, it won't be from necessity, but because of politics. we are supposedly running
HiPointDem
Sep 2012
#174
I do not want grid-crash. However, I was born in 1941 on one of those low energy, low tech farms
jwirr
Sep 2012
#136
I don't think that is even a possibility as it was not that way even back then. Until recently the
jwirr
Sep 2012
#150
Now there I can help you. I remember the house parties that my parents went to and sometimes
jwirr
Sep 2012
#156
That is great. You are really making a difference when you do something like that - especially the
jwirr
Sep 2012
#237
actually, to me, it sounds like more than a fair number want gridcrash...
a geek named Bob
Sep 2012
#145
a lot of people who never actually lived on a farm or had to make a living from one.
HiPointDem
Sep 2012
#153
i know (knew) lots of people who did it low tech, and they're unanimously glad it's over.
HiPointDem
Sep 2012
#158
I lived off grid for 12 mos last year. It wasn't necessarily low tech.
FedUpWithIt All
Sep 2012
#168
With the ongoing drought in the Midwest, I think we may be seeing at least some return of local
a geek named Bob
Sep 2012
#189
I don't expect any joy and/or happiness to come out of a Gridcrash...
a geek named Bob
Sep 2012
#188
As you've accused me of binary thinking... perhaps you'd care to show your evidence?
a geek named Bob
Sep 2012
#208
If it's a problem imagining how we can continue our current power structure...
a geek named Bob
Sep 2012
#210
I have - with the help of my wife - possibly found a flaw with the lights...
a geek named Bob
Sep 2012
#267
I've got one room in the attic that seems to pulse purple, then green
a geek named Bob
Sep 2012
#304
hmmm... could make reading and insulation a mutually exclusive thing.
a geek named Bob
Sep 2012
#327
After a month of eating cockroaches, you will be begging for gerbster.
The Midway Rebel
Sep 2012
#235
Gridcrash? Ignoranuses! Instead of a crash why not advocate for smart grid? We could put a bunch
lonestarnot
Sep 2012
#270
Pretty much our level of civilization is directly correlated with the amount of energy
4th law of robotics
Sep 2012
#281