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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 11:17 AM

8. Two wars that Bush started and couldn't finish didn't help his polls.

But it is amazing that Trump maintains about 40% no matter what.
I'll never understand that.

And I'll never understand how the GOP establishment that did keep some distance with Bush-- allowing some dissent even-- has completely and utterly caved all in with Trump.
Bush was GOP royalty-- really. Third generation GOP office-holder. Why did they feel that they could be less than totally loyal to him?

But maybe it's with Trump, they know he's junkyard dog inside, and will rip them to shreds if they make the slightest independent move?

It's so strange. I listen to The Bulwark and Lincoln Project podcasts-- all these former GOP ad men and strategists who are so opposed to Trump that they're even realizing and sharing their sense that there's a reason the GOP ended up like this-- "It was all a lie," as Stu Stevens said.

So most of the, um, "smart people" in the GOP who aren't office-holders despise and loathe Trump to the point that they are leaving the party they worked for over decades... so it's not that there's no independence.

But interestingly, they're all "hacks"-- I mean, the non-elected, the party apparatus guys, the strategists, the ones making the ads-- and they should be the LEAST principled and idealistic, really. But they're actually taking a stand on principle and clearly risking their future and present careers (though some have written best-selling anti-Trump books .

And every single GOP senator save Romney, and almost every Congressperson, and almost every GOP governor and party chair, have caved in utterly.

I don't get it. We'll be trying to figure this out for years.

It's even more striking because almost everyone who's not in the Trump camp hates him. Moderate hate him, independents hate him. It's not just progressive and loyal Democrats.
How can so many worship him, or pretend to (the GOP congresspeople!), and so many more have precisely the opposite feeling?

I keep coming back to the cult leaders, who seem so awful and evil and unattractive to most of us, but to their followers, they are perfect.

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