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In reply to the discussion: Penzeys Spices has no more F***s to give and lets it all hang out [View all]chia
(2,244 posts)151. My apologies for not having read your posts often enough to be familiar with what you've been saying
for a long time. Regretfully, due to my lack of enlightenment, I'm still getting the same impression after reading your latest post, which is that using names of women is fine as long as people vary the names and locations/objects.
Seems this third way, neither the "never use a woman's name" nor "only use the woman's name I don't like" is a commendable effort to bridge the gap and I applaud your efforts to encourage modifying the various names with a location or object.
In the meantime, I'll muddle on as best I can, encumbered as I am with so little enlightenment that I'm only dimly aware enough to hold the thought that Karen is just so... perfect.
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madaboutharry
Jul 2020
OP
Pointing out the specific racist tactics white women tend to use is not misogyny.
WhiskeyGrinder
Jul 2020
#11
It's true, the same word can be used in in a misogynistic context as well as a context that is not
WhiskeyGrinder
Jul 2020
#24
Assigning one common name to it despite valid objections, claiming it is gender neutral, ...
Hekate
Jul 2020
#132
Pretty sure I didn't claim it was gender-neutral? White women play a specific role in white
WhiskeyGrinder
Jul 2020
#137
Central Park Cathy aka Dog-Walking Debby tried to get that man killed & I said that...
Hekate
Jul 2020
#134
Yes, these threads are telling. It has indeed become synonymous with "Bitch"...
Hekate
Jul 2020
#133
My name is John, the use of "Karen" is not high on my priority list of modern problems.
CCExile
Jul 2020
#74
The Karen meme is the ultimate irony: cruel stereotyping to label a cruel stereotyper.
lagomorph777
Jul 2020
#12
Pointing out the specific racist tactics white women tend to use is not a cruel stereotype.
WhiskeyGrinder
Jul 2020
#13
Agreed. So let's use a descriptive label such as "asshole" instead of a name that millions
lagomorph777
Jul 2020
#14
OK how about "racist asshole?" Or do you have something against everybody named "Karen?"
lagomorph777
Jul 2020
#29
Thanks for pointing that out. Use of persons' names as insults is disgusting behavior.
lagomorph777
Jul 2020
#38
"Karen" could end up being the "George Floyd" of the anti-name-shaming movement.
lagomorph777
Jul 2020
#51
"Karen" is actually not descriptive AT ALL. It is a name shared by diverse millions of women,
lagomorph777
Jul 2020
#30
No one is "trying to tar" every person named Karen, any more than the term "Peeping Tom"
WhiskeyGrinder
Jul 2020
#35
Do we want to emulate the behavior of the racist/sexist name-calling assholes we hate so much?
lagomorph777
Jul 2020
#41
Oppression is not a competition, but when it comes to white women crying over the misuse of
WhiskeyGrinder
Jul 2020
#145
I remember an ad for "Dammitol" - might have been Firesign Theater or Dr Demento or SNL.
lagomorph777
Jul 2020
#31
When you are a "Karen," that means you've opted-in -- and if it don't apply, let it fly!
NurseJackie
Jul 2020
#3
Yup, And for cinnamon lovers, if you've not had their Vietnamese cinnamon, you've never had cinnamon
hlthe2b
Jul 2020
#6
See post #17 for why "Karen" is a bad way to identify white racist women.
madaboutharry
Jul 2020
#18
Great addition. I'm reminded of the course I took on the psychology of prejudice and discrimination
chia
Jul 2020
#125
Yes, because dog knows DU is definitive for the rest of the billions on the internet
Celerity
Jul 2020
#136
Instead of talking about systemic racism, let's once again talk about the poor suffering "Karens."
StarfishSaver
Jul 2020
#46
We can't make any inroads against racism unless we stop centering the comfort of White women
gollygee
Jul 2020
#58
It's about who we are. Do we want to be the good guys, or do we want to sling sexist labels,
lagomorph777
Jul 2020
#59
thank you. and when they upsurped my hawiian shirts as a raciest signal, that pissed me royaly off.
AllaN01Bear
Jul 2020
#70
Have adored Penxey's for many years. We are fortunate here to have, not only PenzetY's, but
niyad
Jul 2020
#75
Switching one woman's name for another reveals the hollowness of the anti-Karen-meme argument
chia
Jul 2020
#91
You're assuming the suggestion was made by someone who believes the meme is misogynistic.
Ms. Toad
Jul 2020
#93
I love Penzeys! Great company if you are looking for spices and because they are one of US!
flying_wahini
Jul 2020
#94
another term would have worked better: Barbie, Ivanka, etc. Not that hard.
Evolve Dammit
Jul 2020
#95
Yes, it makes some white people uncomfortable - and then they double down into full blown Karenness
StarfishSaver
Jul 2020
#115
"Barbie" is a doll; there can be practically no people with that as their full name
muriel_volestrangler
Jul 2020
#154
Because of the number of people who don't have the characteristics that are being disparaged
muriel_volestrangler
Jul 2020
#160
Bill Penzey is completely right. Whatever happened to BBQ Becky & other monikers associated ...
Hekate
Jul 2020
#131
So... you're saying using any of those other names is different than using Karen?
chia
Jul 2020
#144
My apologies for not having read your posts often enough to be familiar with what you've been saying
chia
Jul 2020
#151
Biff 'n' Muffy -- doesn't that just say entitlement & prep school & gated community?
Hekate
Jul 2020
#150