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NurseJackie

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Tue Jul 14, 2020, 12:44 PM
Jul 2020

I hope that people will fast-forward to the 55-second mark to actually LISTEN to what she's saying. Or read it. (I've made it as easy as possible for others by including a transcript that I typed myself.)

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TRANSCRIPT of AMANDA SEALES (actress and comedian)

A "Karen" is a white woman whose oblivion of their privilege causes them to act in a way that is oppressive, and often-times... insane.

(video clip)

Some might think that a "Karen" is just a loud white woman asking for the manager. You know, disrupting your customer service experience. But I'm here to tell ya, Karen goes a lot deeper.

(video clip)

Karen is a white woman who is a descendant of those who came before her who could scream and get a black man killed, who could point and get a black woman murdered.

(video clips)

For me these videos are very triggering. I think that there's a certain level of like "oh-ha-ha-ha they're annoying" when you're just watching it. But when you're in that situation it is not an annoyance, it is a disruption of your being.

You know that as a person of color--specifically a black person--you are the one who's going to be in the situation of having to prove your innocence.
Meh, they kinda lost the thread on this one. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #1
The Karen meme is ugly misogyny. madaboutharry Jul 2020 #5
... handmade34 Jul 2020 #10
Pointing out the specific racist tactics white women tend to use is not misogyny. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #11
You are wrong. madaboutharry Jul 2020 #17
It's true, the same word can be used in in a misogynistic context as well as a context that is not WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #24
+1 n/t Tommymac Jul 2020 #81
That's the problem. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2020 #127
Well said. mia Jul 2020 #36
Yes, I so agree! LisaM Jul 2020 #105
So disappointing. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2020 #129
Assigning one common name to it despite valid objections, claiming it is gender neutral, ... Hekate Jul 2020 #132
Pretty sure I didn't claim it was gender-neutral? White women play a specific role in white WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #137
It's a valid meme. NT Celerity Jul 2020 #39
"Karen" has become a replacement term for "Bitch" madaboutharry Jul 2020 #45
Fail, see post 22 Celerity Jul 2020 #52
Yes, these threads are very telling. madaboutharry Jul 2020 #54
YOu are wrong, and have zero right to call us faux feminist obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #64
I have the right as a woman and a POC to call it as I see it. NT Celerity Jul 2020 #68
Thank you! Check this out, too... NurseJackie Jul 2020 #108
+100000 Celerity Jul 2020 #110
Central Park Cathy aka Dog-Walking Debby tried to get that man killed & I said that... Hekate Jul 2020 #134
This whole thread is pissing me off. Pacifist Patriot Jul 2020 #130
Nope! Nt USALiberal Jul 2020 #85
Yes, these threads are telling. It has indeed become synonymous with "Bitch"... Hekate Jul 2020 #133
Lol, no it is not! Nt USALiberal Jul 2020 #87
Yup, there's no male equivalent and never will or can be obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #61
My name is John, the use of "Karen" is not high on my priority list of modern problems. CCExile Jul 2020 #74
And I'm sure all that guys who go by Bubba or are named Dick ms liberty Jul 2020 #118
100% agree, stupid idea! Nt USALiberal Jul 2020 #83
Shall we call racist white women Fred? Robert? Harry? George II Jul 2020 #111
How about we call them racists. madaboutharry Jul 2020 #119
Totally disagree. BComplex Jul 2020 #147
The Karen meme is the ultimate irony: cruel stereotyping to label a cruel stereotyper. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #12
Pointing out the specific racist tactics white women tend to use is not a cruel stereotype. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #13
Agreed. So let's use a descriptive label such as "asshole" instead of a name that millions lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #14
But it means something more specific than asshole. PTWB Jul 2020 #19
OK how about "racist asshole?" Or do you have something against everybody named "Karen?" lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #29
That doesn't even make sense. PTWB Jul 2020 #37
Thanks for pointing that out. Use of persons' names as insults is disgusting behavior. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #38
Is it? PTWB Jul 2020 #42
How is that even a question? lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #43
Do you think anyone with an alternate name meaning is really that offended? PTWB Jul 2020 #49
"Karen" could end up being the "George Floyd" of the anti-name-shaming movement. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #51
What's wrong with naming and shaming? PTWB Jul 2020 #60
"Naming and Shaming" is about being SPECIFIC Hekate Jul 2020 #135
Exactly! PTWB Jul 2020 #138
You cannot POSSBLY be serious StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #90
It appears that's exactly what happened. PTWB Jul 2020 #109
Get a hold of yourself. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #113
How about all the Barbies and Kens in the world? luvtheGWN Jul 2020 #72
"Karen" is much more descriptive than "asshole." WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #20
"Karen" is actually not descriptive AT ALL. It is a name shared by diverse millions of women, lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #30
No one is "trying to tar" every person named Karen, any more than the term "Peeping Tom" WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #35
Agree chia Jul 2020 #69
Especially Since RobinA Jul 2020 #57
1.4 people with the name Karen in the U.S? pamela Jul 2020 #47
No. It is utterly valid. NT Celerity Jul 2020 #40
Do we want to emulate the behavior of the racist/sexist name-calling assholes we hate so much? lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #41
See post 22 Celerity Jul 2020 #53
So that's one "yes" vote. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #55
Exactly. Karen isn't the new b-word. backscatter712 Jul 2020 #50
Tiy are wrong -- it is literally being used as bitch obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #67
No, it's focused on entitlement gollygee Jul 2020 #82
No, it literally is. MrsCoffee Jul 2020 #152
If you recognize the picture of that woman gollygee Jul 2020 #153
If you recognize the term below that picture, MrsCoffee Jul 2020 #155
I'm no fan of the b-word gollygee Jul 2020 #156
The point being the context is getting lost. MrsCoffee Jul 2020 #158
I saw that post gollygee Jul 2020 #159
It's getting used for "an opinionated woman" too muriel_volestrangler Jul 2020 #161
Exactly Pacifist Patriot Jul 2020 #128
It's complicated SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2020 #104
So you think cruelty is okay so long as the recipient is white? Crunchy Frog Jul 2020 #139
"So you think cruelty is okay so long as the recipient is white?" WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #141
The OP talked about a woman named Karen Crunchy Frog Jul 2020 #142
Oppression is not a competition, but when it comes to white women crying over the misuse of WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #145
Okay, thank you for confirming my point. Crunchy Frog Jul 2020 #146
The owners need prescriptions for this: Laelth Jul 2020 #2
Omg....... 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 secondwind Jul 2020 #9
Damn JustGene Jul 2020 #21
I don't remember "Dammitol." Laelth Jul 2020 #28
My Mom JustGene Jul 2020 #34
I remember an ad for "Dammitol" - might have been Firesign Theater or Dr Demento or SNL. lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #31
:-) Blecht Jul 2020 #27
hahahaha chia Jul 2020 #71
When you are a "Karen," that means you've opted-in -- and if it don't apply, let it fly! NurseJackie Jul 2020 #3
+1 n/t Laelth Jul 2020 #4
+1 PunkinPi Jul 2020 #7
Yep. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #8
+1 Jirel Jul 2020 #23
+1 gollygee Jul 2020 #26
IKR? StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #48
Yep irisblue Jul 2020 #96
spot on chia Jul 2020 #73
Lol, ok! Nt USALiberal Jul 2020 #86
Oh, hello again! NurseJackie Jul 2020 #102
Good one! Are you paid hourly or are you on celery? Let' stalk about it! George II Jul 2020 #112
Yes indeed! Lettuce get together sometime. NurseJackie Jul 2020 #114
Yup, And for cinnamon lovers, if you've not had their Vietnamese cinnamon, you've never had cinnamon hlthe2b Jul 2020 #6
i love Penzey's and have supported them barbtries Jul 2020 #15
See post #17 for why "Karen" is a bad way to identify white racist women. madaboutharry Jul 2020 #18
"Karenism" is being used to target both all white women and all women. Hortensis Jul 2020 #32
Individualism vs. collectivism gollygee Jul 2020 #89
I believe in collective solutions but not concepts of collective guilt, Hortensis Jul 2020 #120
This has nothing to do with guilt gollygee Jul 2020 #121
Through the karenism dynamic. Remember the OP. Hortensis Jul 2020 #123
The Karen meme has nothing to do with collective guilt. nt gollygee Jul 2020 #124
Great addition. I'm reminded of the course I took on the psychology of prejudice and discrimination chia Jul 2020 #125
Got the same email... Heartstrings Jul 2020 #16
Whoever wrote this lost their touch. Jirel Jul 2020 #22
Your Kyle and Chad don't seem to be happening on DU seaglass Jul 2020 #79
+1 Silent3 Jul 2020 #122
Yes, because dog knows DU is definitive for the rest of the billions on the internet Celerity Jul 2020 #136
Ohhh you got me there. seaglass Jul 2020 #143
Penzey's has been standing up for decency for a long time now. Hortensis Jul 2020 #25
I don't know... The "Karen" pushback seems more like a control issue. ecstatic Jul 2020 #33
Loooooooove me some Penzey Spices Baltimike Jul 2020 #44
Instead of talking about systemic racism, let's once again talk about the poor suffering "Karens." StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #46
It is not about poor suffering "Karens" madaboutharry Jul 2020 #56
We can't make any inroads against racism unless we stop centering the comfort of White women gollygee Jul 2020 #58
Perfectly said StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #63
⏫⏫this⏫⏫ irisblue Jul 2020 #98
It's about who we are. Do we want to be the good guys, or do we want to sling sexist labels, lagomorph777 Jul 2020 #59
This whole thread is about the "poor Karens" StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #62
It really isn't about misogyny and sexism. It's about white entitlement behavior chia Jul 2020 #78
+1,000 chia Jul 2020 #77
I've been making large orders Warpy Jul 2020 #65
This morning my wife called me a "dick" padfun Jul 2020 #66
thank you. and when they upsurped my hawiian shirts as a raciest signal, that pissed me royaly off. AllaN01Bear Jul 2020 #70
Have adored Penxey's for many years. We are fortunate here to have, not only PenzetY's, but niyad Jul 2020 #75
And their spices are good. AllyCat Jul 2020 #76
Any white women want to trade lives with a black man for a bit? IronLionZion Jul 2020 #80
Saw a simple solution to this posted on DU elsewhere wcollar Jul 2020 #84
This is not a DU-based meme gollygee Jul 2020 #88
Switching one woman's name for another reveals the hollowness of the anti-Karen-meme argument chia Jul 2020 #91
+1 gollygee Jul 2020 #92
You're assuming the suggestion was made by someone who believes the meme is misogynistic. Ms. Toad Jul 2020 #93
I love Penzeys! Great company if you are looking for spices and because they are one of US! flying_wahini Jul 2020 #94
another term would have worked better: Barbie, Ivanka, etc. Not that hard. Evolve Dammit Jul 2020 #95
What is the difference between using those names and using Karen? nt gollygee Jul 2020 #97
Nothing StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #99
It's kinda funny to see Karen countered with another name chia Jul 2020 #103
"This makes me uncomfortable, therefore it is oppression" gollygee Jul 2020 #106
Yes, it makes some white people uncomfortable - and then they double down into full blown Karenness StarfishSaver Jul 2020 #115
Well said! chia Jul 2020 #117
refers to far fewer and those made of plastic Evolve Dammit Jul 2020 #116
"Barbie" is a doll; there can be practically no people with that as their full name muriel_volestrangler Jul 2020 #154
Why does it matter how common it is? nt gollygee Jul 2020 #157
Because of the number of people who don't have the characteristics that are being disparaged muriel_volestrangler Jul 2020 #160
I Ingersollman Jul 2020 #100
What Is The Deal? usedtobedemgurl Jul 2020 #101
Bill is a hell of a writer. BobTheSubgenius Jul 2020 #107
the first part is very well said Hamlette Jul 2020 #126
Bill Penzey is completely right. Whatever happened to BBQ Becky & other monikers associated ... Hekate Jul 2020 #131
So... you're saying using any of those other names is different than using Karen? chia Jul 2020 #144
I urge you to read again what I said & have been saying for some time... Hekate Jul 2020 #148
My apologies for not having read your posts often enough to be familiar with what you've been saying chia Jul 2020 #151
This is going to trigger a few people here. Crunchy Frog Jul 2020 #140
I call those affluent entitled women Muffy. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2020 #149
Biff 'n' Muffy -- doesn't that just say entitlement & prep school & gated community? Hekate Jul 2020 #150
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