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141. Methinks thou doth protest too much Steinem and Chomsky

Wed Jul 8, 2020, 08:49 AM

Jul 2020

They probably hold dear many elitist strongholds from the past, love and nostalgia for things that have not hurt them personally.

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J.K. Rowling, B.Weiss & N. Chomsky Among Dozens Sign Open Letter Calling for End to Cancel Culture [View all] lapucelle Jul 2020 OP

Cancel Rowling soothsayer Jul 2020 #1

This - she's a bigot n/t FreeState Jul 2020 #27

What a stupid letter JonLP24 Jul 2020 #2

That seems to be the general consensus. N/T lapucelle Jul 2020 #3

And don't forget these (courtesy of Daniel dale) soothsayer Jul 2020 #4

If you can't see twitter, it's trump urging to: soothsayer Jul 2020 #6

+1 Nevilledog Jul 2020 #7

I find some of the names attached to that letter bewildering. lapucelle Jul 2020 #10

Me too. Mike 03 Jul 2020 #15

Yeah, that jumped out at me too. Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #17

His understanding of the alt-right and the rise of fascism hasn't really kept up with reality. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #21

Maybe He Thinks RobinA Jul 2020 #143

"Both sides" of what? WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #145

Right And Left RobinA Jul 2020 #176

"Wait until you hear about racism and sexism." fleur-de-lisa Jul 2020 #5

Exactly! mountain grammy Jul 2020 #114

Telling it like it is. oasis Jul 2020 #126

Do not even use the term Cancel Culture Sanity Claws Jul 2020 #8

"Cancel Culture" Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #18

Holding people responsible is right Sanity Claws Jul 2020 #23

Oh, I agree with you Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #34

You'd be able to run them down faster snort Jul 2020 #43

Hold on a minute... lame54 Jul 2020 #22

haha. You are so right. Sanity Claws Jul 2020 #25

"Cancel Culture" is a right-wing shibboleth. backscatter712 Jul 2020 #102

+100000 Celerity Jul 2020 #199

The only ones who cry about this are those who suck. JNelson6563 Jul 2020 #9

Imagine being sad when you have to hear the little people's objections to your views. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #11

I've always respected Chomsky janterry Jul 2020 #12

What does it mean to "value all speech"? WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #20

There is a difference between... lame54 Jul 2020 #26

+1 Nevilledog Jul 2020 #31

Cancel culture is practiced by those that are afraid janterry Jul 2020 #46

Cancel culture is simply a passive method designed to avoid the consequences of free speech LanternWaste Jul 2020 #49

I agree with you cabot Jul 2020 #53

Bullshit... lame54 Jul 2020 #59

I hate wind turbines. I'm a radical environmentalist and leftist. hunter Jul 2020 #70

Disagree strongly. Caliman73 Jul 2020 #71

Very well said. Doodley Jul 2020 #84

Yep. No need to pay bigots to spout their bigotry. Nt lostnfound Jul 2020 #104

So when Rowling spouts TERF nonsense, what should we do? Cuthbert Allgood Jul 2020 #39

We ShOuLd VaLuE It WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #50

Whatever you do gird your loins before daring to dissent on the one of her Twitter threads TubbersUK Jul 2020 #62

My money is mine - I tend to avoid buying things from people that piss me off. backscatter712 Jul 2020 #113

She Should Not Be Punished RobinA Jul 2020 #147

Why shouldn't transgender people mass respond? Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #153

She's not being punished for her speech. People are pushing back on a platform that allows such WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #164

Rowling's Disagreement RobinA Jul 2020 #179

"Sure, just like David Duke's disagreement with Black people is one way of looking at an issue, WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #180

Block her vile hate speech. Voltaire2 Jul 2020 #178

One imagines that if we value speech, we then realize the consequences of that speech. LanternWaste Jul 2020 #48

Well, except for the speech deemed "cancel culture" kcr Jul 2020 #103

Wow. This is really stupid. You are free to say things. People are free to not like what you say. Squinch Jul 2020 #13

Yes - such a pompous, inane letter IMO - read it twice & can't find any substance in it n/t TubbersUK Jul 2020 #19

Dummies JustAnotherGen Jul 2020 #14

Ummm, no... Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #16

As a person that has read her tweets/essay repeatedly FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2020 #58

She just likened transitioning to "conversion therapy" Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #61

If you watch the BBC Newsnight excerpt FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2020 #72

I recall her being defended by the cast Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #121

"She just likened transitioning to "conversion therapy"" Doodley Jul 2020 #85

I am aware of no reputable Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #119

What process are you talking about? Doodley Jul 2020 #127

of dosing 2 and 4 year olds with hormones. Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #170

No, I don't know of that process either, but the process of reinforcing that a Doodley Jul 2020 #182

Again, I have seen no credible evidence that Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #183

Are you kidding me? Doodley Jul 2020 #184

In the video of the Tavistock Centre FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2020 #132

Thank you for bringing it to my attention Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #169

One point though Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #171

Thanks for a well reasoned post. nt delisen Jul 2020 #66

You're welcome FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2020 #75

did jk rowling write this WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #69

Thank you romana Jul 2020 #81

This is a big oof. "TRAs?" Really? Sophia_Of_PlanetX Jul 2020 #90

My answers FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2020 #94

Re: Sophia_Of_PlanetX Jul 2020 #95

Fallon Fox, MtF trans, seriously injured Tamikka Brents and destroyed her career. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2020 #201

The Federalist is a Conservative, Pro-Trump Propaganda Site. Also, Responses Below... Sophia_Of_PlanetX Jul 2020 #204

Radfems DO NOT HATE transwomen. They have a right to exist. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2020 #205

Every TERF I've seen online or IRL absolutely hates trans women and wants them not to exist. Sophia_Of_PlanetX Jul 2020 #206

Thanks. Like you, at first, I was disappointed cabot Jul 2020 #99

Have you looked at the 'TransTrain' Documentary? janterry Jul 2020 #133

I haven't FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2020 #135

We knew a family in FL janterry Jul 2020 #136

Anybody who believes Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2020 #186

The tavistock therapists believe there is a push. janterry Jul 2020 #191

You aren't Trans Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2020 #187

I'm not trans, that's right FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2020 #189

10 years of therapy?! Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2020 #198

Buck himself said therapy took a while FunkyLeprechaun Jul 2020 #200

Therapy is always part of the process Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2020 #203

Her Opinions RobinA Jul 2020 #148

Sounds good to me n/t Devil Child Jul 2020 #24

Sounds good to me too. Owl Jul 2020 #101

WTF happened to Rowling??? NT Bleacher Creature Jul 2020 #28

She's been TERFing for years. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #29

She's upset because she's down to her last 14.3 million Twitter followers poor thing TubbersUK Jul 2020 #35

Her two major fan groups Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #37

Cancel the cancel culture? soothsayer Jul 2020 #30

"Cancel" is not censorship. hunter Jul 2020 #32

JK Rowling wrote some absolutely genius kids' books & oversaw their wonderful movies. ... Hekate Jul 2020 #33

Based on the recent backlash, Rowling's signature is most likely an exercise in self-service. lapucelle Jul 2020 #41

Which begs the question: what are they all reading into it, and what are we? Hekate Jul 2020 #65

Many of them are of an era that has a different concept of liberalism and progressivism than the WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #67

I don't think that is what is meant by illiberalism. lapucelle Jul 2020 #78

Rowling has already been cancelled by most of us obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #36

*sigh* Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #40

There you go, being reasonable! Maeve Jul 2020 #56

A number of my heroes have disappointed me over the years Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #60

... CatLady78 Jul 2020 #195

Agreed Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #196

Exactly.nt CatLady78 Jul 2020 #197

Sociopathic and evil? That seems a bit ridiculous. tritsofme Jul 2020 #44

Agreed. Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #63

What we're seeing is the death of nuance. musicblind Jul 2020 #108

Yes! betsuni Jul 2020 #116

I have criticized Rowling Miguelito Loveless Jul 2020 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author CatLady78 Jul 2020 #193

she is sociopathic and evil obamanut2012 Jul 2020 #138

Right...how very silly. tritsofme Jul 2020 #173

See, the 'evil' part is the problem with your statement. musicblind Jul 2020 #107

A list of people and things Donald Trump tried to get canceled before he railed against 'cancel cult soothsayer Jul 2020 #38

*Some* people and entities Trump has tried to get canceled soothsayer Jul 2020 #42

I actually agree on Bill Maher JonLP24 Jul 2020 #45

I do not support any cancel culture janterry Jul 2020 #47

I think it is the other way around JonLP24 Jul 2020 #51

Beautifully put: Mike 03 Jul 2020 #54

This is not what those against cancel culture think janterry Jul 2020 #88

I Am Utterly Against RobinA Jul 2020 #149

I remember when the ACLU used to fight for all speech janterry Jul 2020 #86

Exactly. musicblind Jul 2020 #109

Hmmm... OneGrassRoot Jul 2020 #52

Things have gone too far when someone states an leftyladyfrommo Jul 2020 #55

In 1977 the American Nazi party planned a march leftyladyfrommo Jul 2020 #68

First coming to term with it... it's a symptom rather than a cause ck4829 Jul 2020 #76

Mobs don't like anyone who makes them feel stupid. leftyladyfrommo Jul 2020 #83

Rightwingers have been trying to silence me my whole life. I see no reason to copy their methods struggle4progress Jul 2020 #57

A list of those signing the letter.. jalan48 Jul 2020 #64

The blessed "published" might examine their motives. hunter Jul 2020 #73

Salman Rushdie, New York University jalan48 Jul 2020 #74

My attention is not limited to names. hunter Jul 2020 #77

LOL-I'm sure you have. jalan48 Jul 2020 #79

Salman Rushdie might ask my advice. hunter Jul 2020 #80

Boylan has already apologized for signing, LMAO. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #96

I am opposed to the cancel culture and will boycott anyone who disagrees with me! Doodley Jul 2020 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Jul 2020 #87

Some examples of what the letter might be talking about. Jim__ Jul 2020 #89

. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #92

. Jim__ Jul 2020 #105

What a disingenuous post. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #110

Talk about disingenuous. Have you even read the letter? Jim__ Jul 2020 #118

I have read the letter. It commits the common -- and disingenuous -- error of treating "all sides" WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2020 #137

Can we have an end to cancel cancel culture? meadowlander Jul 2020 #91

+1 Owl Jul 2020 #100

They lost me with their claim of "the intolerant climate that has set in on all sides." VOX Jul 2020 #93

You are correct about the right. They aren't the same, but we can't become them. musicblind Jul 2020 #112

We have the right to protect ourselves. These scum want us dead. backscatter712 Jul 2020 #123

Tolerance is not a moral precept. It is a peace treaty. backscatter712 Jul 2020 #115

Sorry it has to fit into a single tweet Steelrolled Jul 2020 #97

Political correctness evolved into cancel culture because of social media. betsuni Jul 2020 #98

Those who complain about "Political Correctness" just want to say the n-word in "polite" company... Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #139

No. It was a term used by the Left first. betsuni Jul 2020 #140

No, I'm talking about current context, just like how this letter is just a transphobe... Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #142

"elitists" betsuni Jul 2020 #146

Generally people who never have to worry about juggling rent and groceries, who have access... Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #150

As if all intellectuals and smart people are rich. betsuni Jul 2020 #152

Uhm, do most of these people have to work 50+ hours a week to be able to make rent every month? Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #155

LOL! betsuni Jul 2020 #156

Do you have something of substance to contribute? n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #158

Um, it's not about me. betsuni Jul 2020 #159

Post removed Post removed Jul 2020 #161

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL "ELITIST" LOL betsuni Jul 2020 #162

Didn't Bill Maher already do this ? It's usually some random unknowns JI7 Jul 2020 #106

I *LOVE* Cancel Culture qwlauren35 Jul 2020 #111

People are trying to catch us up on our divisions. herding cats Jul 2020 #117

Cancel culture isn't about change or social justice. musicblind Jul 2020 #120

+1 cabot Jul 2020 #122

You can't change everyone's mind . It just turns into those who are victimized having to be the ones JI7 Jul 2020 #125

Excellent post. Music Man Jul 2020 #129

+1 betsuni Jul 2020 #130

Excellent post. Thank you. Owl Jul 2020 #134

There's that one deal about casting the first stone that comes to mind. gulliver Jul 2020 #128

Wow, Chomsky? That's going to burst some people's bubbles. BannonsLiver Jul 2020 #131

As you can see, the bus is already backing up over him. Behind the Aegis Jul 2020 #181

He's a transphobe. Dr. Strange Jul 2020 #185

Methinks thou doth protest too much Steinem and Chomsky Beringia Jul 2020 #141

Zephyr Teachout signed the letter. How does she fit in? N/T lapucelle Jul 2020 #144

She comes from a white elitist family, why wouldn't that be a good fit Beringia Jul 2020 #151

I had no idea she is from an elitist family. lapucelle Jul 2020 #154

First paragraph of Early life section of her Wiki page, Humanist_Activist Jul 2020 #157

That doesn't make her family "elitist". lapucelle Jul 2020 #163

Just because she is a progressive and allies with Cortez, doesn't mean she has not Beringia Jul 2020 #160

Also I am grappling with this issue myself recently Beringia Jul 2020 #165

How is her family "elitist"? lapucelle Jul 2020 #166

I use the definition of someone who has professors as parents Beringia Jul 2020 #167

It isn't like it was decided upon by committee gollygee Jul 2020 #168

"Cancel culture?" WHY does every frickin thing have to be so Kashkakat v.2.0 Jul 2020 #172

Cancel culture is just a mob in internet form Sympthsical Jul 2020 #174

There's not much I disagree with in that letter... SKKY Jul 2020 #175

What's cancel culture? Polybius Jul 2020 #177

Severely depressing Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2020 #188

Salman Rushdie signed it treestar Jul 2020 #190

Good point. betsuni Jul 2020 #192

Nothing says "canceled" like a de facto contract on your life. N/T lapucelle Jul 2020 #194

cancel culture melman Jul 2020 #202

Cancel the cancellations gulliver Jul 2020 #207